VicZinc's Comments

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

I can't cite a particular law either. Maybe it's more a common sense thing or the fat that incarcerating innocent people is generally frowned upon.

I'm surprised you would be OK with sending innocent children to jail. Pretty unsavory environment for kids.

But, I suppose Sen Cruz can count on your support for his bill that would provide for that. Better actually - family detection centers. Please call your democrats and ask them to support the bill!

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “I can't cite a particular law either. Maybe...

It is a policy. It is Sessions' policy and he could reverse it with one phone call.

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VicZinc 1 min ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

No fair pretending your hypothetical is already in place.

Here's an idea - get Congress to pass that as a law!

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Budwick 19 mins ago

In response to “No fair pretending your hypothetical is...

I am not saying any such thing. I am saying your assertion that open borders means no sovereignty is incorrect. Open borders and sovereignty are compatible ideas. The Netherlands have had them for decades.

When I went to Amsterdam there was no customs, no one checked my passport. I got off the plane walked through the airport, walked out of the airport onto the street, rented a car, checked into a hotel, all without ever having to produce a single document or proof of ID. In fact no one asked for my "papers" until I crossed the border into Germany.

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VicZinc 3 mins ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Zinc. That's a combination of things. You know it...lol

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_Howler_ 18 mins ago

In response to “Zinc. That's a combination of things. You...

I see it as using these kids and leverage to get a wall that Mexico refuses to pay for.

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VicZinc 10 mins ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Hearings for specifically what?

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_Howler_ 14 mins ago

In response to “Hearings for specifically what?

Their request for asylum.

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VicZinc 12 mins ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Thanks for your honest reply.
[Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.]

Open borders can't fly Vic. Open borders means we give up our sovereignty, we're no longer a nation. Talk to Angela Merkel, see where open borders got Germany!

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Budwick 43 mins ago

In response to “Thanks for your honest reply. [Excuse me, I...

Only in your mind Bud. If we treat everyone inside our borders as equal members of our society, with the attendant rights and responsibilities, then we are still a sovereign nation, we still have borders, we still collect taxes, we still have the world's best national defense system. The only thing that changes is: if you cross the border you follow our laws, are subject to our taxes, come under the jurisdiction of our criminal justice system, etc.

And no fair saying that the "law says you can't cross the border" - obviously that law would change if my hypothetical came to be.

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VicZinc 34 mins ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

When one side compromises with the other it's blackmail?

To quote Obama after his election win, we won, you lost, get over it.

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “When one side compromises with the other it's...

Black mail is saying, "I won't stop hurting these people until you give me what I want."

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VicZinc 1 hr ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

OK, so you would support family detection centers? Like the ones tried in Obama years?
Cuz republicans want to pass a bill that would do that.
Dems don't like it [surprise].

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “OK, so you would support family detection...

I would prefer open borders.

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VicZinc 1 hr ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

You wrote - "Texas governor just pulled the National Guard saying he will no longer support the border initiative because it is so immoral."

I couldn't find that story Vic. I DID find 'Apr 4, 2018 - Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he supports President Donald Trump's plan to deploy the National Guard along the U.S.-Mexico border." But that was April.

=Can you provide a citation?

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “You wrote - "Texas governor just pulled...

I guess not. I went back to the source and I either read it wrong or it changed. It said " ...governors from several states have canceled NG deployment to the boarder... Abbott needs to do the same."

So I guess we will just have to vote his **** out in November.

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VicZinc 1 hr ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Prison vs detection center awaiting adjudication.

A distinction without a difference.

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “Prison vs detection center awaiting...

One house guilty people, the other houses people awaiting adjudication - presumed innocent.

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VicZinc 1 hr ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Now you got it!

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “Now you got it!

Oh I always got it. It is called blackmail.

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VicZinc 1 hr ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

It's a law not a policy, but yes.

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Budwick 1 hr ago

In response to “It's a law not a policy, but yes.

I would be willing to accept that but have been unable to find such a law. It is refereed to as a policy by everyone except Trump's inner circle. Can you direct me to the law that requires women and infants to be housed separately while awaiting decisions on their request for asylum?

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VicZinc 1 hr ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Didn't see any reference to "going away" Mr. Zinc.

"Any solution has to include the wall because without the wall it (any solution) doesn't work."

Sounds to me like the wall is a mere "part" of any solution...not THE solution.

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_Howler_ 12 hrs ago

In response to “Didn't see any reference to "going...

AG Sessions on Trump admin. policy of separating migrant families at US border: "If we build a wall, we pass some legislation, we close some loopholes, we won’t face these terrible choices."

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VicZinc 3 hrs ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Didn't see any reference to "going away" Mr. Zinc.

"Any solution has to include the wall because without the wall it (any solution) doesn't work."

Sounds to me like the wall is a mere "part" of any solution...not THE solution.

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_Howler_ 12 hrs ago

In response to “Didn't see any reference to "going...

If he says it is up to the Dems, that the Dems have to pass a bill - and the bill must have a wall.

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VicZinc 12 hrs ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

fair hearings?

how about putting the family back over the border
and come threw the door instead of the window

10,000 of 12,000 Kids in US DHS Custody Were Sent Here Alone … (VIDEO)

tell me more about these CONCERNED parents

ohh whats this!

Obama Administration Placed Children With Human Traffickers, Democrats Were Silent

I do like how you toss out Jesus like a rag doll to tug those heart strings

I have a heart
I also reserve the RIGHT to spend my compassion
as I see fit

NOT as you think I should

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Neanderthal_Momdoer 12 hrs ago

In response to “fair hearings? how about putting the family...

Fine with me.

Even if Obama did it, it is still not right. DHS is calling kids that they literally wrestle from their parents arms "unaccompanied" so spare me the sermon. People arriving at the official crossings are treated the same way as those entering along the border.

Texas governor just pulled the National Guard saying he will no longer support the border initiative because it is so immoral.

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VicZinc 12 hrs ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Sorry but, if my kid and I were starving in Venezuela, Guatemala or El Salvador, I'd probably come here "illegally" too.

As the saying goes: "When freedom is outlawed, only outlaws are free."

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ForkNdaRoad 13 hrs ago

In response to “Sorry but, if my kid and I were starving in...

I wish I had two hearts for this one.

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VicZinc 12 hrs ago

Why was this Hidden from view during his presidential runs?

and?

it's getting bad out there vic



and you are concerned about what?

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Neanderthal_Momdoer 13 hrs ago

In response to “and? it's getting bad out there...

Human rights, dignity, and a directive to "love my neighbor as myself."

Are you afraid MS 13 is heading into the woods to empty your traps?

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VicZinc 12 hrs ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

a an ILLEGAL alien runs over a 14 year old boy
talk about permanent punishmnent for the family

people who got kids an go to prison
they are SEPERATED

what makes you think ILLEGAL ALIENS SO damn special

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Neanderthal_Momdoer 13 hrs ago

In response to “a an ILLEGAL alien runs over a 14 year old...

They are not in prison, they are awaiting their fair hearings.

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VicZinc 13 hrs ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

Who stated all that would "go away" if we all agree to build a wall other than the Progressive moderator on an inconsequential opinion site?

Geez...more hyperbole

So sad to this kind of hyperbole, overkilled pro-Progressive crap be put forth
by folks with authority and clout on this site.

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_Howler_ 14 hrs ago

In response to “Who stated all that would "go away"...

Trump.

"It's got to include the wall. Any solution has to include the wall because without the wall it doesn't work," the president said at a joint White House news conference with Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg.

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VicZinc 13 hrs ago

Why was this Hidden from view during his presidential runs?

speaking of Obama


dreams of his father....ahuhhh

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Neanderthal_Momdoer 13 hrs ago

In response to “speaking of...

grab 'em by the pussy

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VicZinc 13 hrs ago

Let me get this straight, the separation of families seeking asylum, depending on which official is speaking is: the law, a deterrent, the democrats fault, is biblically sanctioned, does not exist, and will go away if we all agree to pay for a wall.

OR...how about we let them live with YOU?? ...or Chuck Schumer...OR Nancy Pelosi? You love & trust them. You give them a sanctuary, and you be responsible for them. Or how about just a few, at random selection?

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Him 14 hrs ago

In response to “OR...how about we let them live with YOU??...

How about we let them live and work Where ever they can find work. That's what we all do.

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VicZinc 14 hrs ago

How can you expect someone to love Jesus if they can't even love their neighbor who is right there?

I think your hands must have been trembling with anger when you wrote that. It makes no sense.

But, I do see that you have no intention to address the root of the problem - just as expected from a true progressive.

Don't you mean to call me a feckless nazi? That seems to be the progressive cult word these days.

WTF is my PSF?

And Vic, get the logs out of your eyes before pulling the God card again, OK?

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Budwick 18 hrs ago

In response to “I think your hands must have been trembling...

I can just imagine when you get to the pearly gates and your god takes your hand and says, "good call on taking babies from their mom's when they came to you seeking refuge. You totally understood my son's message."

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VicZinc 15 hrs ago

How can you expect someone to love Jesus if they can't even love their neighbor who is right there?

Yeah, I can feel your desperation. Oh wait, no that's your, ...! Vic! You are excited over the new, emotion packed reason to dump Trump - plain and simple.

If you are REALLY desperate to "stop the march of racism, nazism and white supremacy" find the progressives funding Pueblo Sin Fronteras - People Without Borders. They are a left wing progressive outfit that encouraged all these people to join the caravan. Knowing full well of the tribulations that lay ahead for them. But, being true leftists, setting up poor foreign refugees to be used as pawns in a political stunt - all to make Trump look bad.

Now, you can cry some real tears over that Vic. You are associating with a party that will stop at nothing to get their way - even taking advantage of poor children.

It's just like when terrorists store their ammunition in hospitals and make their barracks in schools, or put women and children in and around prime military targets. It's the same damnable thing. Your party is despicable.

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Budwick 18 hrs ago

In response to “Yeah, I can feel your desperation. Oh wait...

You can lead a horse to water, but it takes a real Nazi to shot it when it arrives.

I am sure that your PSF cannot see the future and did not know that your idol, Nazi-boy Trump, was going treat them exactly like his mini-me "rocketman" and mentor Putin would treat them, inhumanly, in the name of Christ no less. SHM at the right-wing xenophobes who think this is somehow morally justifiable.

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VicZinc 18 hrs ago

How can we spell Immigration in a way that shows we really have done our research on the subject? You can't take anything they say seriously when they can't even be bothered to 'fact check' their own graphics.

No one's dehumanizing foreigners in the US except those who choose to use them as Progressive pawns.

Progressivism is a natural dehumanizer.

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_Howler_ yesterday

In response to “No one's dehumanizing foreigners in the US...

I suppose some would see it that way.

After all, the right really can't dehumanize something that they never consider as human in the first place.

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VicZinc 22 hrs ago

How can we spell Immigration in a way that shows we really have done our research on the subject? You can't take anything they say seriously when they can't even be bothered to 'fact check' their own graphics.

Progressives..They trust them to continue to give them pro-Progressive subject matter to post on social networking and opinion sites at least..Matters not that the subject matter itself is untrustworthy...matter not to the news organizations, much less to the online Progressive poster.
As long as it pushes the Progressive agenda, it's good to go.

Sad.

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_Howler_ 23 hrs ago

In response to “Progressives..They trust them to continue to...

You seem to know a lot about the 'progressive' agenda. Are you sure you're not a progress yourself?

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VicZinc 22 hrs ago

How can we spell Immigration in a way that shows we really have done our research on the subject? You can't take anything they say seriously when they can't even be bothered to 'fact check' their own graphics.

I couldn't tell what was wrong until I really looked at it. Probably the person who made that banner wasn't too bright and everyone is going to know what was intended.

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LorraineTwevlehundredRaineTwelvehundred yesterday

In response to “I couldn't tell what was wrong until I...

Yes. What was intended was to further dehumanize 'foreigners'.

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VicZinc yesterday

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