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I rather believe in God and still believe in God forever

Not a fan of Pascal's Wager
I don't take risks

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fuzala 4 years ago

In response to “I rather believe in God and still believe in...

I've forgotten Pascal's wager.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “I rather believe in God and still believe in...

Also by disagreeing you say you'd rather live as if there isn't a god and die to find out there is. Kinda weird considering you're a Muslim...

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “Also by disagreeing you say you'd rather live...

I already told you what I was saying and what I meant by disagreeing

so there really is no reason for you to tell me what I said

I told you what I meant in my comment
so don't go around trying to say what I meant when I already clarified what I meant in the beginning

I disagree with both options
so I disagreed with the entire quote

disagreement could also mean you rather not have either of those options
which I was pretty clear about in my first comment

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fuzala 4 years ago

In response to “I already told you what I was saying and what...

Boy, you surely can't take a joke lightheartedly, can you? Anyway I know what you were saying. Except I still don't remember Pascal's wager.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “Boy, you surely can't take a joke...

didn't sound like a joke to me

you didn't use any emoticons
or even try to portray a tone that showed you were joking

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fuzala 4 years ago

In response to “didn't sound like a joke to me you didn't...

Well sorry for not expressing my jokiness correctly

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “Well sorry for not expressing my jokiness...

I read this thread again with another mindset
and can see how there was a "jokiness" tone

it just wasn't obvious to me

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fuzala 4 years ago

In response to “I read this thread again with another...

It's alright. I tend to joke "incorrectly" and inadvertently give people the wrong ideas.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

I would rather spread love on this earth
and go to hell for being an atheist
than
pretend Jesus intended me to hate gays and Mexicans
and go to hell for that.

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VicZinc 4 years ago

In response to “I would rather spread love on this earth and...

maybe you made a typo
because both your options say "go to hell"

"go to hell for being an atheist"
or
"go to hell for that"

or maybe I'm misunderstanding

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fuzala 4 years ago

In response to “maybe you made a typo because both your...

If everyone goes to heaven, great!
If I might go to hell, I would rather go there
for being good but wrong (loving but atheist)
than for being mean but right (hateful and religious)

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VicZinc 4 years ago

I'm assuming by "live your life as if there is a god", Camus meant loving thy neighbor, being a decent person, etc... The implication is that one needs to believe in a god to be a decent person. That is obviously not correct.

Many years ago my father used this argument in an attempt to persuade me to have faith. How one truly believes in a god, based solely on this reasoning, is beyond me.

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PhilboydStudge 4 years ago

In response to “I'm assuming by "live your life as if...

I never thought of it that way. Yet he could also be saying that being a decent person is what a god wants no matter what you believe. Although there is a hint of "god-fearing" in the quote, and that's probably not a good thing

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “I never thought of it that way. Yet he could...

Your suspicion is correct. My father was not saying "be a good person" so much as he was saying "why not accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior rather than risk burning in hell for all eternity"?

His point is logical if you can convince yourself to believe in something that seems (to you) to be very unlikely.

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PhilboydStudge 4 years ago

In response to “Your suspicion is correct. My father was not...

Yeah. Yet, based on what I see in the world (the facts that there are so many religions, that no divine being just shows its face, that there just plain isn't any proof of divine beings) I deduce that, if there is a god(s), it/they apparently don't care what you believe. Also, a trend in both laws and religion is essentially "being a good person". So I deduce again that, if there is a god(s), it/they want people to be good. So that's all I strive to be really. If I go to hell/the underworld/ hades/etc. for simply believing something wrong, then that divine being is a royal ****.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “Yeah. Yet, based on what I see in the world...

LOL. Indeed. It takes a special kind of **** to sentence someone to eternal suffering for simply not believing in something which cannot be supported by empirical evidence.

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PhilboydStudge 3 years ago

In response to “LOL. Indeed. It takes a special kind of...

It's amazing that such a large percentage (thank goodness the minority) of people actually think that belief is all you need or that belief is in some way necessary

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JohnJillky 2 years ago

In response to “I'm assuming by "live your life as if...

Also Camus didn't believe in god so I don't think that was an implication.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

That would be the very flawed idea known as Pascal's Wager. How do you know you're believing in the right god?

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BubbleGumGuy 4 years ago

In response to “That would be the very flawed idea known as...

It doesn't say the guy believes in a god. He's just saying he's not gonna live like an **** so as to not go to "hell" for that.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

In response to “It doesn't say the guy believes in a god...

Like a what? Tell me how us heathens are bad.

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Frozen_Core24 4 years ago

In response to “Like a what? Tell me how us heathens are bad.

Like an ****? Are you saying you want to be an a-hole to people? I never mentioned any heathens. Wtf are you talking about?

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

It's such a waste of brain power to try and think something exist, when it clearly doesn't. I live my life the way I want to, and within the law of course. Not some deity.

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Frozen_Core24 4 years ago

In response to “It's such a waste of brain power to try and...

Don't take this quote as a guy saying he's gonna believe in god "just in case". The guy is saying to be a good person regardless. Granted, he did word it in a way that might seem Pascal-esque.

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JohnJillky 4 years ago

Even a god isn't exempt from moral codes. Contrary to the Christian ideal of absolutism.

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rohanzener 3 years ago

In response to “Even a god isn't exempt from moral codes...

This quote, as I interpret it, isn't aimed at any particular god. Moreso, some being above who will judge based on actions, not beliefs. But that's my interpretation.

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JohnJillky 3 years ago

make sense!

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TerrySmith 3 years ago

When I believed in the christian god my life was paranoid and fearful. Always trying to control my thoughts to make sure I didn't accidentally think "God sucks" or "**** god"

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TomboyJanet 3 years ago

In response to “When I believed in the christian god my life...

I get that. I saw this quote more essentially saying to not live like an ****.hole just in case. Even though, I now think that doing so just in case isn't a reassuring reason.

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JohnJillky 2 years ago

In response to “I get that. I saw this quote more essentially...

I think if you need a fear of hell to do right, and you cant just do it on your own, you are a weak individual who needs to be scared into doing good because their basic nature is vile.

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TomboyJanet 2 years ago

There is a God

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EternalSailorSol 2 years ago

In response to “There is a God

You're free to believe so.

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JohnJillky 2 years ago

In response to “You're free to believe so.

Thanks

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EternalSailorSol 2 years ago

Why? What does it matter? I think there is no God, it doesn't make me have no morals or anything. Why do we need a god? Are we such savages that we have to fear a white bearded man in the sky to keep us from burning, pillaging and raping, to make the world a smoldering pile of ash simply because we won't be judged in the end?

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Sunny_the_skeptic 1 year ago

In response to “Why? What does it matter? I think there is no...

Funnily enough, I now disagree with my own post.

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JohnJillky 1 year ago

In response to “Funnily enough, I now disagree with my own post.

Sadly even the presumed existence of God doesn't stop people from committing terrible acts of violence.

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Sunny_the_skeptic 1 year ago

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