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Yes, vic...they should all be considered valid beliefs....for those who believe. But....if those beliefs infringe upon others human rights, then they should be condemned.
But Vic, you're always telling us there is no truth, so how (according to you) can anyone prove anything, whether using mystical sources or anything else?
Now you are finally catching on.
You say no one can prove anything, and yet you use the internet every day.
I try to base my opinions and actions on information from informed sources. Every news outlet is biased in one way or another, but in each there are kernels of truth that can be sussed out. I am unwilling to act based on some unverifiable, unprovable belief that there is some superior being (God, if you will) whom I will displease if I don't do what he wants. Religion is how the masses are kept in line by a small group of people. More people have died in the name of religion than in all the wars.
I think more people have died in the name of dictatorial secularism (Marxist and otherwise). Over 100 million in the 20th century alone.
I wouldn't be surprised.
There's a difference between practicing your faith and imposing it on other people
Unless of course your faith requires you to proselytize, which many (most) do.
What if your faith tells you you must evangelize?
or what if it says you must save other's souls by preventing them from committing sins even if that means killing them so they will sin no more?
I mean, evangelizing is mostly harmless
It's better than beheading but it is imposing on other people. Your criteria not mine.
You are imposing on all of us here, with this drivel!
Are you suggesting that your imposition should also be stopped? OR, just the stuff you don't care for?
Is that freedom of speech - with a price?
Nope. My imposition is based on proof (or in your case, lack-thereof) jihad's imposition is based on faith.
Your imposition is based on a small, closed mind.
Bingo. I am try to impose on yours.
Old Vic is a bumbling nihilist,
A self-proclaimed anti-legitimist;
Says a bloody jihadist
Or murd'rous Assadist
Isn't worse than a peaceable spiritualist.
Oh thank goodness you are here. Like Don Jr and Eric.
Naah... not like them at all. SNL writers don't write limericks.
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Hamas is now using trebuchets. ... Heaven forbid they discover the catapult.
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The video is still up on the Fatah Facebook page
so if people are throwing rocks at your house
digging tunnels to get inside to KILL YOU
what are you gonna do?
if islam is not reformed
the West will be perpetually at War
as it is
we live in the 3rd age of Islamic conquest
some visuals for your enjoyment
Some insight for you:
The word Islam means submission to Allah, and a Muslim is one who has submitted to Allah. Islam is a religion of peace, it is just the Islamic definition of “peace” is different. To someone raised in Western Civilization, “peace” is achieved when different groups get along. In Islam, “peace” is when everyone is submitted to Allah. Essentially, to a fundamental Muslim, “world peace” means “world Islam.”
A moderate Muslim believes the world will submit to Allah later, maybe in the distant future or at the end of the world, and since it is so far off, they are not preoccupied with it and are non-violent. A fundamentalist or “Islamist” Muslim believes the world is supposed to submit to Allah now, and they are excited to help make it happen. This is referred to as becoming radicalized.
The dilemma for Western Civilization is, the more it shows itself tolerant, the more a percentage of moderate Muslims begin to rethink that maybe the world is actually submitting to Allah now rather than later. They gradually gravitate from the future non-violent mindset into the radicalized now mindset. In other words, they more the West shows itself tolerant, the more violence increases. This reflects an Islamist attitude, that when your enemy shows weakness, that is Allah giving them to you.
In Islam, it is wrong to kill the innocent, but the definition of innocent is a follower of the way of Allah. Those who reject Islam are guilty:
•“Allah loveth not those who reject Faith” (Sura 3:32)
•“Be ruthless to the infidels” (Sura 48:29)
•“Make war on the infidels (Sura 9:123; 66:9)
•“Fight those who believe not in Allah” (Sura 9:29)
•“Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them” (Sura 2:191)
Saying it is wrong to kill the innocent is code for saying it is wrong to kill faithful Muslims. Fundamental Muslims accuse non-violent moderate Muslims of being unfaithful – as having left the way of Allah – and therefore feel justified killing them along with non-Muslims.
See, I am an infidel, according the p/c crowd
I am islamiphobic ....
what is a islamaphobic?
it's someone who knows little bit more of Islam then they should know that's all
I'm in good company though
Thomas Jefferson is smiling
I have no problem saying jihad is evil and should be stopped at all costs, because I don't listen to imaginary gods and I don't think sane people should ever do what their make-believe gods tell them to do.
If you have a problem with jihad but you still listen to an imaginary god then I think you are a hypocrite.
call me what ya like
you & me
we something in common
ISLAM wants us BOTH to
pay tribute (tax)
is there a 4th option?
what's your option?
Thanks, Neanderthal, for providing a succinct summary of the basic Islamic belief system for those who are ignorant of it to read. I became curious about Islam back when the 9/11 massacre (jihad) took place and discovered the same things you mentioned during my research. I even found an English translation of the Quran in my local library and read it. Islam is a very intolerant religion, but when I try to tell people that, I am declared an instant Islamophobe and should be arrested for hate speech!!
stand up to Islam
at every oppertunity
The Quran is not a set of instructions on a cookbook that a muslim must follow step by step to be called muslim. The Quran is a set of revelations, made at various points in time, 1000s of years ago. The events in the Quran are not even in sequence, They’re rhyming poems(in arabic) that were revealed in view of important historical events. Everyone, including those who speak Arabic must read the Quran with what we call, Tafseer. Even if they don’t, more often than not, the preceding verses make the incidents clear. To make it easy, the Quran that I have, at least comes with translations and foot notes that explain every incident in totality and is easily available on the internet.
▪️Quran 9:123: Verse 9:123 is one among 7 verses which are bound by a context.The above verse was revealed in order to fight the enemy, Banu Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina. They allied with the pagan Arabs of Makkah in order to exterminate the Muslim community. It was they who persecuted the Muslims. The object was to stop persecutions
▪️Quran 9;29:The verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.
▪️Quran 2;191: The verse in question is one that was revealed during a war scenario. There was a pact that the Muslims had made with the non-Muslims at that time and that pact was violated. It was for Makkan people who had violated a treaty of peace and persecuted Muslims living in peace without provocation. This had led to war. Like you know, during those days- war tended to be more honorable and was fought in battlefields, not cities and towns where women and children lived. This verse is akin to an army general commanding his soldiers to "Kill the Enemy" or "Fire on sight". It is a battle cry, not a general direction to kill any non-Muslim or person who disagrees with you at anytime. It is war specific. If you read the next verse 2:192 and 2:193 it says that the moment the enemies cease fighting- you have to stop the attack immediately. A lot of armies at the time did not believe in letting the enemy survive at all, irrespective of surrender.
how long does it take to cut the heads off of 10,000 Men , Women and children?
perhaps the richest man ever to walk the earth
Whatever organism beheaded 10,000 people is not even worth being called human. All of them should be beheaded in public for doing it in the comfort of their territories.
Also, I’d like to get the source to that Scorecard. I’d also love for you to explain why no one points out the religion of the people who are responsible for the deaths of more than 500,000 Syrians, to focus on the month of May: 44 Syrians, 58 people in Gaza and the innocent children who were killed in Santa Fe.
‘In the name of islam’ does not mean sponsored by all muslims. It is sick that they’re killing people in the name of anything.
the historian Durant
on the Conquest of India by Muslim invasion
it's worth a read
Sure. I’ll read it as soon as I find the time.
There is an islamic meaning of innocent and peace? These are codes? I think muslims should know about these codes. Please enlighten me.
Didn't God say "vengeance is mine"? Other religions should use that too. There is no bigger crap than excusing violence with religion.
that's god's domain
you did notice God gave his Angels swords
an not Coca-Cola to fight Evil
if you not own a sword
Sell your cloak an buy one
Sorry, but the "CHRISTIANS ARE WORSE!" argument does not work on me, as I am an atheist. I'm also gay, and I will never defend a belief system that teaches that I should be executed.
There should be nothing wrong with criticizing a religion (no matter what religion it is) that openly promotes and practices violence and oppression. Unfortunately we live in a world where it's offensive to condemn hate speech when it comes from certain sources.
I don't think we can condemn the only one religion. Either they are all wrong or they are all equally valid.
Utter nonsense, Vic.
It depends greatly on what the religions tell their followers what to DO.
If they don't harm anyone, then as far as I'm concerned, they can believe what they like, so yes, a religion that preaches and practices violence IS less valid than a peaceful one that preaches and practices doing good.
OK then. Have a nice day.
I never said anything about only condemning one religion. If you'll read my comment again, I said we should criticize violent religious extremism, no matter what religion it is.
Thanks for the clarification
Sorry, but the "CHRISTIANS ARE WORSE!" argument does not work on me, as I am an atheist. I'm also gay
when was the last time you seen a Christian
holding a served head?
this is a KID with a knife
such great happiness an joy
You're gay? That's awesome!
We are trying to make sure that it doesn't escalate to that. I'm positive that if the laws were different here, Many Christians would be slicing up gays and transgender people, as many already do. Some doctors have even let some die by refusing to treat them. Such horrors are not exclusive to one religion.
Where, other than your vivid imagination are any Christians slicing up gays and transgender people? Are we guilty just because you THINK we are?
How wonderfully tolerant of you!
Many Christians would be slicing up gays and transgender people, as many already do.
please post such accusations
I wonder how many in the background are Christian....
Someone can't oppose murder and support religion at the same time?
That's a pretty strange idea to me and the likely roughly 84% of the world population that subscribe to some sort of faith.
Gonna be a hard a sell, Vic.
I suppose. People with faith tend to think their faith is correct and all other faiths are misguided.
We can all oppose murder, but to oppose murder that is commented on faith while not also rejected faith itself seems hypocritical.
People do the same with political philosophy, but we don't require them to abandon all political activism should they call out one for acting aggressively.
Full disclosure, I detest organized religion. BUT, I scarcely see the difference between that and, say, misplaced political belief.
Did we just agree? How 'bout that :)
That's what I keep saying. Why do we put all our faith in what Thousand year old dead guys have to say about how to live. I mean really. No one could fact check back then, yet we say YUP MUST BE TRUE!!
There is a reason actually: life is short, and mistakes are costly and painful. You literally don't have time to figure out the great truths for yourself, and you only get one kick at the can, if you **** it up, well, there you are. One of the things I like about Christianity is it's proven, it's a well worn path to a good life.
The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
For me any religion is about the same as any other in terms of likelyhood of being real. I'd rather do without the unnecessary restrictions on marriage etc. I could also do without anything that treats women as second to men. or Gifts to men or whatever. I believe as long as you help others and don't hurt others without EXTREME necessity, then you are good. Life shouldn't be about what you need to wear or eat or repeat or chant or watch or marry to be a "good person", just do good. It's not hard. Make others happy. Give to those less fortunate, spread positivity not negativity. live and let live as long as they don't hurt others, and just stay out of personal business if people don't want you to. That's what I believe is the TRUE path to being a good person. If It's not then I really don't want to be a part of the good people. If It turns out that there really is a higher power that wants gays to be smitten etc, I will rebel against it even if It's a lost cause. Tyranny is tyranny, no matter who the tyrant is. I don't believe that that is the case, but If It turns out to be, I'm fully ready to never stop fighting, and I promise to be so rebellious and violently dedicated to my cause that hell itself will fear me.
After all I have an eternity to achieve it....Meet your new hellish queen
For me, it's about understanding reality, and it's about having something to center me when things get weird. We live in a rapidly changing world, and it's nice to have something in my life that is constant and unchanging.
There are no quotes from Jesus about the gays, but this is what Paul had to say:
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Now, this was a commentary from 2000 years ago about things that were going on back then, so he's not talking about you, but you can probably see echos of it in the modern world. For me, like the rest of the Bible, it's food for thought.
As Ned Flanders once said, "I don't need to be told what to think...by anyone living."
Did you figure that out by yourself, or did some supreme being reveal it to you?
Since you offer nothing to support your prattling, I assume you are the source. So you are the supreme being. Is that it?
If you are not the supreme being then I can just ignore you. If you are the supreme being then so am I and there is no reason why I should give any weight at all to your carryings on.
So why did you bother to post this?
Your comments are as equally valid and/or questionable as mine. Except mine got 12 votes and yours got none.
Other than that, no difference.
Votes? I am not aware that anybody is voting on anything.
Why do so many people talk so much with nothing to talk about?
I come here for one thing.
It's a game. It is the only game I play. No xBox, no Playstation, no nintendo.
One game. Amirite. And I am good at it.
Uh, ... Ok!
So if one philosophy is bad, all philosophies are bad?
Or good, your choice.
That seems like a useless theory. What benefit do you derive from thinking that way?
To remind people who understand what it is like to have strong faith beliefs that others do too.
The angst some feel over abortion (for example) is the same conviction that a jihadist feels. I don't know what that feels like, but for some it clearly leads to near frenzied fervor.
If those people are against jihad they need to look in the mirror and understand how insane they look to the rest of us when they foam at the mouth over abortions.
You're equating the passionate desire to defend the lives of the innocent with the passionate desire to take the lives of the guilty. Is it really fair to do that?
I am comparing passion derived from heavenly bodies instead of logic.
If people are going to argue that it is wrong in one instance i.e., the religion is flawed, they cannot argue that the religion is not flawed in the other case. People do.
If they stop using religion to blame one but support the other then I am all ears.
You're equating murder with defending the innocent from murder, that's profoundly screwed up.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. -Jesus (Matthew 7:15)
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the just, both are abomination to the LORD.
By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Don't put words in my mouth. I am not justifying evil.
I am saying that we cannot equate the evil men do with their religion, but if we do equate them, then we must say all religion is evil.
The religion is not evil, the acts of men are - and any person who says islam is evil because some men act evilly in the name of islam, if that man claims his religion is always god, he is a hypocrite.
It is like saying the gun is evil instead of saying the shooter is evil.
If saying AR15 is evil is the same as saying all guns are evil , then saying Islam is evil is the same as saying all religions are suspect.
You might as well have said:
"I am saying that we cannot equate the evil men do with their education, but if we do equate them, then we must say all education is evil."
It would have made as much sense.
Actually that is a perfect analogy.
Thanks, well isn't the curriculum kind of a centrally important factor in whether education is a good or a bad thing?
Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which spitefully use you. -Jesus (Luke 6:28)
You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. -Jesus (Matthew 5:43-48)
O you who believe, do not take My enemies and your enemies for friends, expressing love with them, while they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, expelling the Messenger and your selves (from Makkah) merely because you have faith in Allah who is your Lord, if you have set out to do Jihad (struggle) in My way, and to seek My pleasure. You express love with them secretly, while I know what you have concealed and what you have revealed. Any of you who does this has missed the straight path. -Mohammad (Parah: 28 Surah: 60 Ayat: 1)
Test and if you tried to tell me that there was a correlation between education and violence I would say you were just as wrong as if you told there was a correlation between religion and violence.
It's not that you learn, it's what you learn.
Actions based on instructions from unseen entities are logically questionable. But when Flip Wilson's Geraldine character declared "Da devil made me do it!" we all empathized with her!
I'm not of the opinion that all religions are equal. I do think some religions are more prone to violent interpretation than others and I think it's worth looking at those religions' texts and philosophies to determine why that is. That doesn't mean I'm more likely to put stock in one religion's "commandments to kill" but it also doesn't mean I will write off Islamic extremism by saying "well, they're all the same". I don't buy into that kind of moral equivalence.
My hope (silly me) was that people who experience the fervor of religion would look in the mirror and understand how insane their adamant opposition to gays or abortions are.
Not a silly hope, just wanted to clarify my position.
But you won’t get much traction with the religious folks here.
How's that working out for you?
Oh well, it's just a game for you anyway.
Nothing you think say or do matters.
It's like you are totally meaningless, without impact.
Except that you always seem to need to respond.
The MSM hates it when Trump responds too. In the past republicans just cowered and went away.
Not as much fun when someone calls you on it, is it?
Actually I love it.
Please keep it up.
I do find it funny that you insist my post are meaningless and yet are often the most vocal person to comment on every one of them.
Kind of defeats the argument that they don't matter to you when you can't stay away from them.
Vic -YOU are the one that repeats that your words don't matter.
I consistently disagree - words DO matter. And when you purposely mislead, lie, exaggerate, I'm pleased as punch to push back.
I think it's great that you enjoy it when I and so many others rub your nose in it.
LOL. "rub my nose" nice try budly. You won't even down vote my posts because you are not sure you are right. This post is 11-3 so far so "rub" all you want. All you are accomplishing is getting mud on your own face.
Write something without knots, twists and either answer is wrong and maybe I'll vote.
Writing loaded questions isn't clever - it's biased.
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