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The Democrats are playing to gain a seat in the Senate. It costs them nothing to throw Conyers and Franken under the bus, because those two will be replaced by people who vote exactly like them. If, however, with their hasty show of righteous indignation less than a week before the election, they can swing the Alabama election against Moore, they gain a seat in the Senate. The Republicans, for their part, will try to get Moore elected, and then toss him out after an ethics probe, to be replaced by another Republican. Stalemate in that case.

Swipe to go to another post.

Twenty five years ago, up until last year:

But then we had a sudden change of climate. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

Probably. The Democrats want to show they are the party of "listening to women" as opposed to the Republicans. If the Republicans could've dumped Moore with a similar net gain, I'm sure they would have. Everything done in politics is done for political gain.

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Thibault 4 days ago

In response to “Probably. The Democrats want to show they are...

Of course. Democrats didn't listen, when Bill and Hill's posteriors were on the block. At that time, it was a 'vast, right-wing conspiracy'. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Of course. Democrats //didn't// listen, when...

Yeah, I don't think they'll be able to do that again. The "times have changed". If Bill had been accused today, he probably would've been successfully ousted.

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Thibault 4 days ago

In response to “Yeah, I don't think they'll be able to do...

Senator Gillibrand would agree with you.

Of course, not all Democrats agree with Gillibrand. (biggrin)
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/p...ton/index.html

"Over 20 yrs you took the Clintons' endorsements, money, and seat. Hypocrite," he wrote. "Interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. Best of luck." [said a Hillary aide]

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

No, it's to get predators out of office. The real question is why we should even worry about Alabama's senatorial election next week not being in our favor

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DWF 4 days ago

In response to “No, it's to get predators out of office. The...

Why should you even worry? The polls say it's very close, and difficult to predict.

https://www.economist.com/news/...ys-predict-roy

And have you forgotten so soon that the polls last year said Hillary had an 80% chance of winning?
Election night was full of stunned Dem faces; they would like to avoid that in Alabama next week.

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

Of course! Franken was martyred to make it uncomfortable to seat Moore - if he should win next week.

Moore's situation is very different than the dozens of others recently taken down for abuse of women. The timing of the accusations is remarkably convenient first of all. The fact that the accusers waited nearly 40 years to speak up adds to the level of suspicion. And, Moore has been steadfast in his denunciation of the accusations and has been a long time public servant with no blemishes on his record.

Still, to save the country from daily beatings from the biased media, I think it would be cool if Moore announced his retirement on the stage during his acceptance speech and the governor announce his Republican replacement in one fell swoop. That might take some breath away from democrat complainers, maintain status quo in the Senate.

I just bet ya, the onslaught of daily career ending accusations will come to a screeching halt. [Cuz, the democrats never gave a rats butt about abused women anyway. It's about appearances, and political power.]

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Budwick 4 days ago

In response to “Of course! Franken was martyred to make it...

Yes, Bud, there may very well be an agreement for Moore to step down if he's elected. Maybe that's what got the Trump endorsement and the RNC campaign funds started again.

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Yes, Bud, there may very well be an agreement...

I would be surprised if it actually happened, I just think it would be cool to 'out-slick' the left, leave 'em with their jaws hanging open.

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Budwick 4 days ago

In response to “I would be surprised if it actually happened...

Yes, Republicans usually aren't that slick.

Maybe Bill would act as a consultant for them, but he comes at a high price, something like $500,000/hour.

Still, maybe he would work for a little less. I understand his gigs have become scarce lately. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

Democrats have morals

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “Democrats have morals

Democrats have whaaat...?
Morals...?
Only when it suits their political purposes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLwRnREB3L4

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Democrats have morals

Oh, that's funny!
Anthony Weiner, Hillary Clinton, Sen. Robert Menendez, Jacob Schwartz, Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, John Conyers, Al Franken, Harvey Weinstein, John Podesta, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, Rod Blagojevich, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Elizabeth Warren, Rep. Corrine Brown, Alcee Hastings, Alec Baldwin, Kathy Griffin, Barack Obama - just OOZING with morality!

[I know I've forgotten some. AmiRIGHTers - please, feel free to add on / pile on]

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Budwick 4 days ago

In response to “Oh, that's funny! Anthony Weiner, Hillary...

Don't forget those paragons of liberal virtue, Eric Holder and his worthy successor, Loretta Lynch.

Is she still standing on the tarmac, waiting for Bill to come back?

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Don't forget those paragons of liberal...

Good ones!

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Budwick 4 days ago

In response to “Oh, that's funny! Anthony Weiner, Hillary...

As you know there is a difference between being a sinner and having no morals.

When the repubs start tossing their own under the bus you can pontificate.

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “Vic, Vic, Vic... have you been hitting the...

Nice 20 years and 40 years. Got one from the 50s?

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “Nice 20 years and 40 years. Got one from the 50s?

I did not know that morals had a statute of limitations..

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Lynette 4 days ago

In response to “Nice 20 years and 40 years. Got one from the 50s?

Nope, none from the 50s, at least none in the Senate.

But you evidently selectively forgot this one:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITIC...ion/index.html

Must have been a good year for mushrooms. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Nope, none from the 50s, at least none in the...

Yep. Takes ethics investigations and special councils to get a repub to step aside.

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “Yep. Takes ethics investigations and special...

It took investigations for Democrats too, Vic, and of course in Bill's case, even that wasn't enough. The Senate Democrats circled the wagons and saved his posterior for him. (biggrin)

Although now, Senator Gillibrand is saying Bill should have resigned. (biggrin) (biggrin)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/p...ton/index.html

And even today, not all Democrats agree with her. From the CNN article:

"Philippe Reines, a longtime aide to Hillary Clinton, blasted Gillibrand on Twitter over the remarks.
"Over 20 yrs you took the Clintons' endorsements, money, and seat. Hypocrite," he wrote. "Interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. Best of luck." "
(biggrin) (biggrin) (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “It took investigations for Democrats too...

But...but...but... her emails! His cigar! Benghazi! Uranium!

Uranus (pce)

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “But...but...but... her emails! His cigar!...

You're dodging again, Vic, as you always do, sooner or later. (biggrin)

Comment on what Gillibrand said, or are you from the old keep-mum school of liberalism? (biggrin) (biggrin)

The party line has changed, in case you hadn't noticed, and not in the Clintons' favor. Which side are you on, Vic, which side are you on? (biggrin) (biggrin) (biggrin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XEnTxlBuGo

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “You're dodging again, Vic, as you always do...

I agree, Bill should have been impeached. Oh right he was. I was not in the Senate at that time so I didn't get a vote. Had I been and had I only the evidence available to the public at that time I would have vote to remove him from office.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “I agree, Bill should have been impeached. Oh...

Good for you, Vic!
You would have been the only one. (biggrin)

Of course, had you done that, you would never have gotten another cent of campaign money from the DNC, and you surely would have faced a heavily-funded primary challenge when and if you sought re-election.

Democrats don't like mavericks who disobey the marching orders.

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “Good for you, Vic! You would have been the...

That's why I never went into politics.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “That's why I never went into politics.

God works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. (biggrin) (biggrin) (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “As you know there is a difference between...

And there it is! That's what this is all about. A set up to toss someone under the bus. Hmmm, who shall it be?

Vic, the media exposed a handful of losers that had no business being there anyway. NOW democrats are the paragon of virtue?

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “And there it is! That's what this is all...

How do you keep going from "moral" to 'paragon of virtue'.

Go ahead bud, cast the first stone.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “How do you keep going from "moral" to...

OK vic - Democrats have suddenly discovered morality?

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “OK vic - Democrats have suddenly discovered...

Not sudden. Hope the rest of you non-democrats get some some.

Start with love "your brother as yourself" then go to "judge not least you be judged."

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “Not sudden. Hope the rest of you...

Four weeks ago John Conyers was still abusing women in the elevators.

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Four weeks ago John Conyers was still abusing...

Oh. Didn't realize that John Conyers was "all democrats"

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “Oh. Didn't realize that John Conyers was...

Oops - Vic is parsing words again!
You know, Vic! The guy that said "Democrats have morals".

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Oops - Vic is parsing words again! You know...

Not all. Just the ones I respect.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “Not all. Just the ones I respect.

Not all?

Not all words are parsed?
Not all democrats have morals?

No, it's gotta be the word thing. Of Course not all democrats have morals! It might be kind of hard to find a moral democrat, but I'm sure there must be a few. Probably not in Washington, but I'm sure someplace.

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Not all? Not all words are parsed? Not all...

Cast the first stone Bud, cast the first stone.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “Cast the first stone Bud, cast the first stone.

More Christian references Vic! That so enhances your morality!

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Oops - Vic is parsing words again! You know...

Democrats discovered morals only recently, and then only for obvious political purposes.

They knew perfectly well what had been going on for decades, and all they did was establish slush funds to use taxpayer dollars for hush-money settlements. In fairness, Republicans were in on that too.

Nothing like bipartisanship, when common interests are involved. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “Oh, that's funny! Anthony Weiner, Hillary...

Did you include Lois Lerner and her conservative targeting IRS?

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ozzyboy 4 days ago

In response to “Did you include Lois Lerner and her...

Good catch!
Thanks - there are so many.

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Democrats have morals

I notice they didn't hesitate to ask Al Franken to step down. They didn't even try and spin his bad behavior. Now if the other side could try that...... (hmm)

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MonaLea 4 days ago

In response to “I notice they didn't hesitate to ask Al...

Actually, they hesitated for weeks with Franken, and here is Pelosi spinning her wheels about due process for the "icon" Conyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mebvdJ7LxM

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Actually, they hesitated for weeks with...

But in the end cooler minds prevailed.

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “But in the end cooler minds prevailed.

You mean hotter minds, Vic. (biggrin)

And of course the political motivation for this sudden, new-found morality is obvious. In the short term, it is aimed at tipping the Alabama election in the Democrats' favor, netting them a Senate seat. In the longer term, it is aimed at Trump, who has his own history of abusing women.

I think if Hillary had been President, none of this would have happened; Franken and Conyers would have still been happily in office, doing the things they have always done, and the Democrats keeping mum, as usual. (biggrin) (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “You mean hotter minds, Vic. (biggrin) And of...

That's the beauty of it all, you get to think what you want and others can think what they want. No one will ever know what is really going on. That's the nature of knowledge.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “That's the beauty of it all, you get to think...

Yes, of course it's speculation, but I think it's obvious that Trump is the main motivating factor behind this recent morality binge by the Democrats.

If they have to throw some of their own under the bus to get at Trump, hey, it's for the greater good. To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs, maybe even some of your own, right, Comrade? (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “Yes, of course it's speculation, but I think...

I think the dems are just showing that they are humans with hearts and souls. If it makes anyone look bad that's on the person with no heart and soul.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “I think the dems are just showing that they...

It took a political calculation for them to find their long-lost hearts and souls, namely how best to go after Trump. One reason Hillary lost is that too many women voted against her.

You should be on your knees in prayer, Vic, thanking God for the Trump presidency, or there's no telling when, if ever, the Dems would have found their hearts and souls. (biggrin) (biggrin) (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “But in the end cooler minds prevailed.

Yeah! They went from -
"I don't recall it the same way." to
"I might resign in a couple weeks" "Oh, and it's not fair cuz President said 'pussy' 30 years ago and he got away with it!"

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Yeah! They went from - "I don't recall...

"but her emails! Benghazi!"

IF everyone who was told that they are being offensive either stepped aside or apologized this world would be a better place.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “"but her emails! Benghazi!" IF...

You are offensive!

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “You are offensive!

Sorry.

Bye.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “You are offensive!

Now, now, Bud, be patient. Vic can't help it.

He has the liberal gene. (biggrin)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/re...1027161452.htm

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “Now, now, Bud, be patient. Vic can't help...

But Think, he said the world would be better, [sniff]
and it's not! [sniffle]
He's still a ****!

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “But Think, he said the world would be better...

Well, Bud, a skunk can't help being a skunk either. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “Actually, they hesitated for weeks with...

Well gee wiz. There has been buzzings about your president for some time now. But the Repugs keep spinning their wheels on that.

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MonaLea 11 hrs ago

In response to “Well gee wiz. There has been buzzings about...

Indeed they are.

They're looking after their political interests, just as the Democrats are looking after theirs.

If the Republicans think dumping Trump will help them get re-elected, then they'll dump him; if not, they'll protect him, like the Dems protected Bill and Teddy.

P.S. Not all Democrats are in favor of their new-found morality. (biggrin)

http://www.amirite.com/817035-i...utcome/2701608

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Thinkerbell 10 hrs ago

In response to “I notice they didn't hesitate to ask Al...

Well, Pelosi kind of did Mona. Trust me, the big boys had a little chat with geek Franken and explained how he needed to fall on his sword - you know for the good of the party.

You don't thin that slime ball offered to maybe, some time in the future,to perhaps resign?

Remember Mona - he's a MAN, an evil, disgusting man! With hairy legs and arm pit stink - ick!

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Budwick 3 days ago

No, and only a stinker would so jaded.

Moore will probably win, by a landslide.

Alabama already sent one dirty old man (Trump) to Washington, so I am guessing they won't have a problem sending another one.

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dru18 4 days ago

If Moore wins "by a landslide", it won't be because Jones didn't spend enough money on the campaign. As usual, the Democrats are spending big, by over 5 to 1. Have you sent in your contribution yet, dru? Hurry up, time's a-wastin'. (biggrin)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/...ate/915214001/

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “If Moore wins "by a landslide", it...

Actually, the DNC is doing nothing to help Jones. Jones is getting small donations, A LOT of small donations, which ought to tell you something.

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dru18 4 days ago

In response to “Actually, the DNC is doing nothing to help...

Almost half of Jones's donations came from LARGE donors and PACS, so his claim to USA Today of over 90% being small contributions seems to be a lie.

https://www.opensecrets.org/rac...LS1&spec=Y

About par for the course. Of course, like all politicians, he never mentions that.

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Thinkerbell 4 days ago

In response to “Almost half of Jones's donations came from...

"Like all politicians"? Funny how you don't seem to ever be faulting any conservative politicians.

And I am not about to look at another conservative blog that you are trying to pass off as news.

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dru18 3 days ago

In response to “"Like all politicians"? Funny how...

You never look at anything that might contradict your liberal party line, no matter what the source, dru. (biggrin)

Instead, you automatically take Jones's word for it that less than 10% of his campaign fund came from large donors, a claim that is ridiculous on its face.

"Never fault a conservative politician"?
Wrong again, dru, as always. (biggrin) (biggrin)

http://www.amirite.com/817035-i...utcome/2701610

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “You never look at anything that might...

Stop with the phony crap of being 'unbiased' . It doesn't suit you.

I have learned to question your sources, that's for sure.

Budwick was trying to quote Brietbarf down below. LOL!

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dru18 3 days ago

In response to “Stop with the phony crap of being...

And you never yet have been able to disprove the content of my sources. All you offer is mindless polemics, not proof.

P.S. I almost always use liberal sources like the NY Times, WaPo, HuffPo, etc. when talking to liberals. It's such fun watching them denounce the sources they usually favor. (biggrin)

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “And you never yet have been able to disprove...

LMAO! You don't use any of those sources! You make vague references to them in the form of those crappy blogs you keep posting.

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dru18 3 days ago

In response to “LMAO! You don't use any of those sources! You...

I use them all the time.

And you couldn't bring yourself to answer the most straightforward and direct of questions brought up in my "crappy blogs", such as did Elizabeth Warren say the Democratic primary process was rigged, or did she not say it?

In case you missed it three times, here it is again: (biggrin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBYnJh45WS8

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Thinkerbell 3 days ago

In response to “Actually, the DNC is doing nothing to help...

It tells me that they don't believe Jones can win.

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “It tells me that they don't believe Jones can win.

No, they don't believe that any Democrat can win in the state of Alabama.

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dru18 3 days ago

In response to “No, they don't believe that any Democrat can...

Anything to disagree - Amiright?
Never mind that Jones is the only democrat running in Alabama.

OK Dru - that's why the DNC has not funded Jones - because no democrat could win in Alabama.

[Not surprising though. I mean look at all the icky democrat scum they've exposed recently!]

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Budwick 3 days ago

In response to “Anything to disagree - Amiright? Never mind...

They haven't had a Democrat win that state in over two decades, Budwick. That would have been easy for you to have looked up.

And the last thing that Alabama wants is for the DNC to come down and tell them who to vote for. They are very smart for staying out of the whole thing.

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dru18 3 days ago

In response to “They haven't had a Democrat win that state in...

For once I agree. Not funding Jones was a good idea.

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Budwick 3 days ago

I think it's called political expediency, and yes, I suspect the Democrats are trying to paint themselves as the party who will stand up for women. I'll be surprised thought if it has much of an impact on the voters of Alabama.

It should be pointed out that Democrats have no monopoly on demagoguery. Shrewd politicians have manipulated the masses forever. Remember when Rahm Emanuel was chastised when he said to 'never let a good crisis go to waste'? I believe that accurately depicts the thinking of many in Washington.

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PhilboydStudge 3 days ago

In response to “I think it's called political expediency, and...

Well said, Phil.

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