Hundreds of celebrity women are coming forward because a man looked at them 40 years ago. But these same types of celebrity women giggle when lesbian Ellen gawks ogles, and touches. Why? Is there a difference?
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Ellen Degeneres, that great women's champion against misogyny and sexism.
Ellen is a comedian. To me it looks like she's going for a laugh.
I know. When she does it, it's a "joke". That's the point. When a man does it, Ellen is condemning.
Because she's not doing it to 14 year olds
Yes, the woman in the picture is a disgusting predator who should have been locked up for much longer. I was just objecting to OP's use to Ellen Degeneres as an example
I see nothing wrong with using a liberal feminist hypocrite to illustrate my point.
Except that she's not relevant at all to this issue.
Her "type" is. The type that thinks if a woman does it, it's not serious. It's just a joke.
Ellen would be the first to be in line to join a firing squad for Trump or Weinstein.
And what evidence do you have of her being that type?
Is that not Ellen, that women's champion against misogyny, sexism, and objectifying women...is that not Ellen in the photo? Answer: yes. There's your evidence.
Ah yes, the photo that you took out of any context but looks like three people goofing around.
Three "WOMEN" goofing around. Exactly....a "joke". But Trump wasn't goofing around with his locker room talk, was he? Keep making my point .
Trump talked about being able to grab women's private parts, and "moving on a woman like a ****". I'm sure most everyone knows that.
Trump: I did try and **** her. She was married.
He was too, with a new and pregnant wife at home, when that undeniably disgusting supposed "locker room" talk came to light.
I don't know about you, but I've never been okay with hearing anyone expressing such 'sentiments'.
What that has to do "gawking" , I do not know. It is never 'okay' for anyone to act on their sense of entitlement to touch someone else in a "sexual" way, uninvited. Do you disagree?
I'm sure if the person you chose to highlight in your post is ever accused of doing that, she will experience the same kind of public lynching.
Trump talked.. but...but....but.. Trump LIES. He lies about EVERYTHING!! Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. That's what the majority of Democrats and liberals have been saying for a year, and you support the charge with your up votes. So by the liberal's own admission, what Trump "said" was just a bunch of lies and blowhard ****.
Or maybe he wasn't lying this time, which would mean he doesn't lie "all the time", and YOU'RE all lying.
Which is it?
True, he does take liberties with the truth quite a bit.
I didn't say anything about him actually doing what he talked about, did I? I said I found his words disgusting, and would if anyone talked that way.
I do agree, that women sometimes get more of a 'pass' for speaking crudely. Comedians in general often get somewhat excused for that. I do not, however, remember a man being barraged with outrage for simply 'gawking' at an adult women's breasts.
I agree...Trump IS...uhh.... what's that word you used? Ah, yes..."disgusting". He needs to turn down his disgusting rhetoric and take lessons from these lovely, evolved ladies of the left.
I know, I know.. The devil (Trump) made them do it.
I said I found his words disgusting. I am not in agreement with what many on both the 'left' and 'right' say or do.
I know what you said, and I said he needs to tone down his disgusting "rhetoric". Why the admonishment?
WHAT "admonishment"? Flip Wilson is very funny...thanks for sharing the clip!
"because a man looked at them" is greatly distorting and undermining what's actually happening here.
Here's the thing: the issue here is what's unwanted and what's not. As soon as it becomes unwanted, coerced, forced, that's when it becomes a problem. It's possible for a man to look, touch, or flirt with it being wanted and it won't cause a stir. What's causing the problem is when men who are in positions of power using that to take sexual advantage of people.
But as I've said before: not all these cases are the same. The one who rapes is much worse than the one who says a few creepy things. We have to make sure to not lump all these instances together.
No more than the media is "distorting" some of these cases.
That's one question where the playing field will never be equal. A man does it and he should "know better" because he molested someone, so he goes to jail. A woman does it with two or three of her students and gets house arrest because she cried and was "vulnerable."
Talk about inequality....
Actually, Ms DeGeneres got quite a bit of backlash and criticism for 'tweeting' that photo.
As far as I know though, no man has been publicly crucified for simply looking at or "ogling" a woman, unless he was doing it through a peephole or window in a supposedly 'private' place.
Where besides comments on the internet was this "backlash" that Ellen supposedly got for posting that picture of HER ogling another woman's breasts in front of her wife??
You know damn well that if a male celebrity who supports Trump were caught on camera ogling another woman's breasts in the manner Ellen did(especially in front of his wife) that it would be all over our country's alphabet network's nightly news........ a scenario if such were to happen..............................................................................
"BREAKING NEWS from ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC NEWS", Trump supporter Kevin Sorbo who stars in and produced the Christian themed movie Let Their Be Light along with his wife and children in that Christian movie was caught on tape with our reporters catching him ogling another woman's breasts while his Christian Stepford Wife stood by his side laughing at her Christian husband's ASSAULT on that woman, so much for the GOP's supposed "family values".
Eh you know damn well my reverse scenario is exactly HOW our country's supposed trusted media would have reported it.
Mostly on social media, although I did hear the picture and incident being discussed on some TV shows, as well.
No, I do not know that damn well, Ms Gronk.
Yeah exactly, only on social media was there outrage over the picture Ellen posted ogling Katy Perry's breasts...where there was no coverage whatsoever by our "msm", as you know there would have been if a celebrity Trump supporter posted a picture like that, and you know it.
Oh please you DO KNOW damn well that there is an obvious/blatant double standard by our country's "msm" when reporting the news on any Republican.
I mean come on, even just recently our "msm" ALL purposely edited their tapes to purposely report FALSELY and NEGATIVIELY to the dumbed downed in our country(anti-Trumpers) about President Trump being sooooo dumb that while in Japan he even fed fish wrong while in Japan.....when IN FACT our supposed trusted "msm" traveling overseas with President Trump ALL knew he was following the actions of the Prime Minister of Japan doing so first!!!
As well as our "TRUSTED" msm also purposely editing and taking out of context President Trump's comments about Putin...where he actually said(not verbatim) that he believes that Putin believes in his mind that Russia didn't interfere with our country's elections, but that he(Trump) trusts our country's intelligence agencies... NOPE instead our country's msm purposely edited President Trump's comments to report their narrative to the dumbed down in our country of...... TRUMP BELIEVES PUTIN over US Intelligence agency.
It's one thing for the dumbed down/politically ignorant in our country to buy into/believe the fake news being reported, but it's more troublesome that those in government on the left and on the right(Rinos) and our liberal msm, all know damn well that this Russian crap etc. is all BS... in THEIR colluded united attempt to bring down President Trump, only BECAUSE he as a Billionaire dealing with politicians and reporters for decades became an INSIDER of the workings of DC and how our media works...therefore they all KNOW Trump KNOWS how corrupt our government is and how our elected officials and media can be paid off, and they all KNOW IT ... thus WHY they hate Trump being our President, because he is an actual SJW for ALL in our great country.
Always woman bashing, aren't you, Gronk?
Nah, I as a female have COMMON SENSE as well an OPEN MIND...unlike you closed minded faux tolerant "empowered" women on the far left who have been INDOCTRINATED to believe that it's "EMPOWERING" for you all to wear your silly **** hats/costumes. as well as being indoctrinated to believe that it's somehow "EMPOWERING" for you all to brag about having your abortions...where you all as supposed "empowered" women who want the government to stay out of your reproductive rights, are too ignorant to see the irony of you all as supposed "empowered" women making asses of your selves protesting/demanding for the GOVERNMENT(other people's money) to PAY for your abortions and birth control!!!!
"Open mind", and you, don't belong in the same sentence. There has been nothing uttered by you, that isn't biased conservative.
Oh now abortion has been thrown into the mix?
I hate to have to correct you, (again!), but if you don't have affordable birth control for women, you WILL have more abortions.
Sadly unbeknownst to you dru18, you have no self awareness AT ALL that it's actually YOU and your fellow "tolerant" liberals who are clearly closed minded, thus why you and your "tolerant" ilk have such disdain and irrational hatred towards our current President ONLY because he's a Republican President, as you all had the same irrational hatred towards Ronald Reagan, GHWB and GWB when they were our country's Republican Presidents.
You and your ilk as supposed "tolerant" people have a '1984' mentality, which is to one day have ALL in America(under your "liberal" government) living under YOUR rules as our country's "tolerant" liberals in your vision of your AmeriKa of us all living under how YOU ALL feel WE THE PEOPLE should live our lives...because ya know, you as liberals all are way smaaaaata than us peasants.
Look, if you want an abortion PAY FOR IT YOURSELF, if you want to have s e x with random people PAY FOR YOUR OWN BIRTH CONTROL as an "empowered" woman.
Why the hell should WE THE PEOPLE pay for your **** lives??? How can you not comprehend/get how ridiculous, pathetic and WEAK you supposed "empowered" feminist of today come across/look to us COMMON SENSE Americans with you all protesting in the streets in your silly pink hats and costumes DEMANDING for our Government to pay for your abortions and birth control as supposed "empowered" women in 2017??
Btw, a pack of condoms(the safest form of birth control as well as preventing life threatening STD's) are easily accessible to purchase just about anywhere in our country for cheap money and far less expensive than a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Aw,...are you really 'paying' for other's **** lives? Another gross exaggeration.
First of all, I have no pink hat. And I don't think that is why they took to the streets. Something more along the lines of electing a fat orange slob that goes around bragging about grabbing women's ****.
Condoms, (when even used) are not as effective in preventing pregnancies than The Pill.
dru18, your TDS is showing, especially with you in a juvenile manner referring to our current President of the USA as a "fat orange slob"(eye roll).
Look just to set the record straight about him supposedly having orange skin, I went to a Trump rally back in October of 2016 being in the front row, seeing him in person 2' away from me, and his skin is NOT AT ALL orange....which even surprised my friends attending that rally given how his skin color is made to look orange on TV.
So anyways.....Trump NEVER bragged about OR said that HE grabbed women's **** during that 2005 private conversation with Billy Bush.... what Trump said while talking to BB in that private conversation was about the HollyWEIRD CULTURE in our country, WHERE anyone who's famous can just grab some woman's pussy(groupies) and those women(groupies) let them.
Eh which he was once again proven right with his spot on take/opinion of the HOLLYWEIRD culture. Yet the liberals in our media back then PURPOSELY took his comment out of context in their UNSUCCESFUL attempt to paint Trump AS being the pussy grabber ...ah Karma is a **** ain't it.
Where the F are you getting your info where you actually believe that the pill is more effective in preventing pregnancies than a **** is, not to mention that condoms PREVENT one from getting a deadly STD where the pill DOES NOT!!
Keep right on spinning. Trump needs all the spin he can get.
Trump bragged about grabbing a woman's **** because being a celebrity, (yeah, right) he could get away with it. He was sure mouthing down those Tic Tacs.
Orange, black, white, he has to be the most repulsive looking man around. His hair is a bad joke, he is grossly overweight and out of shape, he's got luggage bags under his eyes, made only worse by the white concealer he wears, he can't dress worth a shit, and oh yes, his hands are creepily small.
All of it goes to show that all the money in the world, can't buy taste, or class.
Condoms are in the seventy percent effective range, while The Pill is 97% effective.
dru18, re-read your post.
You being a supposed TOLERANT OF ALL liberal, sadly have no clue WHATSOEVER that people like yourself who constantly spew your ignorant juvenile comments about our current CIC and/or towards those who disagree with your opinions, ARE the PROBLEM in our country and the reason WHY our country continues to be so divided.
I did not vote for Obama....however I RESPECTED him as OUR country's CIC even though I vehemently disagreed with his policies of him wanting to "fundamentally TRANSFORM the USA".
What I did, INSTEAD of bashing President Obama or his family on the internet, was to instead try to inform my politically ill informed friends and family members who naively voted for Obama twice based on his "hope and change" rhetoric.
6 years into President Obama's 2nd term as our CIC with his policies financially affecting/crippling THEIR middle class families budget, is when they realized that President Obama's "hope and change" rhetoric was BS, with him and the DNC pandering to them just to get him elected and re-elected.
YOU respected President Obama? I find that really hard to believe. But without SH to go back on, I can't prove it.
But let me ask you, where has Obama given you a reason to not respect him? Did he bash any particular race, did he show disrespect for women?
Did he take to 'Twitter' to put down women's looks,attack his opponents attack the NFL, and college basketball players?
Even when called a liar during his speech, did Obama yell back? What do you think Trump would have done, if called a liar? I can tell you; he would have lashed back like a 12 year old.
If Trump doesn't want to be despised, then he needs to stop acting despicable.
dru18 you find it hard to believe that I, as well as my children respected President Obama when he was our country's Commander In Chief only BECAUSE you and your ilk can not do the same for our current elected CIC.
Therefore WHY you and your SUPPOSED "tolerant of all" ilk can not comprehend that there are people who didn't vote for a US President who RESPECT whomever our country elects to be our CIC, even if we disagree with agenda and policies.
Even though I didn't vote for Obama in 2008, I really did have HOPE that he as our country's 1st black President could/would UNITE US ALL...proving that HE as our country's 1st black President was PROOF that we all can achieve our American Dream no matter our race, gender or religion....NOPE instead a few months in Office as our CIC he showed his true "colors" of wanting to further divide our country with his knee jerk reaction(without knowing all the facts) as our CIC went on NATIONAL TV claiming the Cambridge Police "acted stupidly" and then going on as our CIC to state how HE was the victim of racism because of the color of his skin blah, blah, blah.....and then even when given facts about the Cambridge arrest with him having to have a Beer Summit as a mea culpa to that white police officer.....he as our country's President STILL went to play the race card whenever our liberal news media would report on any black man committing a crime or fleeing a crime being shot by a policer officer...thus him creating the RACIAL divide we have in our country!!!
Obama as our country's CIC was always quick to come out publically as our CIC when a black man committing a crime or fleeing a crime was shot by a police officer...YET he would takes days as our CIC to comment on a terrorist attack committed on our soil by a lone wolf radicalized muslim who committed their murders in the name of Allah, because he did not want to "offend" the Muslim community......
yet he never had a problem giving his opinion ASAP as our country's CIC right after a white police officer shot a black criminal(again not knowing all the facts) or after a lunatic with a gun shot up a school, with him and his party USING those tragedies as means for more GUN CONTROL on law abiding gun owners.....because ya know the 2000 gun laws already on the books(not to mention MURDER being ILLEGAL) has worked so well thwarting the mentally ill from committing their murders, as well as Heroine always being an ILLEGAL drug in our country....hmmmm yet heroine is now the cheapest drug of CHOICE for most drug addicts in our country....funny how that works, huh dru18?
He quickly took back that statement, and didn't elaborate on it.
Of course HE has been a victim of racism! And as the first African American president he has the right and even duty, to say so. He didn't harp on it.
He was a very cautious speaker on every topic, and he especially did not want to fan the fires of Muslim hatred in this country.
Um... it took that tragedy (Sandy Hook) as the last straw for the president. He had already been to more funerals then he wanted to remember. It should have been the last straw for all of us, but you gun loving nuts had to make it about the second amendment, and not the victims.
Look, President Obama who was OVERWHELMINGLY elected in 2008 as our country's CIC with a 67% approval rating...proved how far our country had evolved since the 1860's/1960's .....YET for some reason he as our country's 1st elected black American President INSTEAD chose to play the race card as our country's CIC?????
Even though I didn't vote for Obama, I was truly hopeful that Obama being elected as our CIC would put the final nail in the coffin of those on left USING the race card to further their commie, leftist agenda. Nope INSTEAD President Obama fed into their commie, leftist rhetoric....where the uneducated young black men INSTEAD of being INSPIRED by Barack Obama's achievements of being OVERWHELMINGLY elected as our country's CIC, they were instead encouraged by the race baiting PROFITEERS of racism ala Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to FEEL that even though Obama as a black man was elected as the PRESIDENT OF THE USA they were all still being oppressed by the white man.
He never "played the race card", and you know it. Instead, many rednecks played it with him and his lovely wife.
He carefully had to tow the line, so much in fact, that it angered some black Americans who did not think he did enough for them. Damed if he does, and damned, if he doesn't.
When Obama constructed the ACA, he did so for all of poor Americans, not just the black ones.
He appointed more women judges than any president before him.
While he may have made some moves overseas that I didn't agree with, he accomplished some great things within this country.
AND, HE got us out of a recession. Not the 'thing' that is taking credit for it now.
Al Sharpton, and Jackson ceased being relevant a long time ago. Stop living in the past.
Look dru18, President Obama as our country's 1st black President most certainly did USE the race card as our country's CIC to further his party's "progressive"/ liberal agenda.
As I stated I did not vote for Obama...however back in 2008 I was optimistic that President Obama being elected as our CIC would be an INSPIRATION to ALL in our great country as proof that we can all achieve our American Dream in this great country.....NOPE instead President Obama who was overwhelming elected to be our country's CIC/ LEADER to unite us ALL, right off the bat after that Cambridge incident(without him knowing all the facts) he INSTEAD as our country' CIC went on national TV to address the American people about how the Cambridge Police officers acted "stupidly"...with him having NO facts or a CLUE that Cambridge MA is by far the most LIBERAL city in my state.
Yet you all on the left instead get your panties in a bunch over President Trump referring to Senator Warren as Pocahontas...in his coy attempt to once again BAIT the press to report on his comments... that President Trump knew would be 24/7 "news" with the end result being people googling Elizabeth Warren/Pocahontas....where they would find out that she as the liberals most likely 2020 candidate to run against him....committed perjury filling out her job applications as being a Native American (using Affirmative Action) just to further her own career ambitions.
Man you wicked smaaaat liberals still just don't get it...Trump KNOWS how to play the media to his advantage.
How did he use the "race card", Gronk? Go ahead and make a list,I'll wait.
Oh shit, the Cambridge thing again? LMAO! That is all you have. He quickly walked that back, and learned from his mistake, unlike the **** we have in there now.
I doubt she is going to be the 2020 candidate. Too bad Trump had to use an honoring of the WWII Navajo veterans to take a humorless swipe. But then again, he never did have any class.
dru18, unbeknownst to you and your ilk of "know it all" smaaaaaat liberal progressive friends, you have NO CLUE whatsoever that there is actually a silent MAJORITY in our country of blue collar and white workers who think you liberals of TODAY are NUTS...therefore why Trump won.
There's also not a doubt in my mind that Trump overwhelming won the "popular" vote as well, but due to the blatant voter fraud and ILLEGALS being able to vote on the east and west coast states, you all THINK that Hillary won the popular vote.
HMMMMM. why is it that ONLY you LIBERALS are the ones who do NOT want people to have to show a valid ID/picture ID/address when they go to vote???....When you LIBERALS all know damn well that in our country we as ADULTS(no matter our age) have to provide a picture ID when purchasing alcohol or cigarettes!!!..WHICH begs the question/answer OF... how is a welfare recipient able to purchase their booze and cigarettes while living in their Section 8 community WITHOUT having any form of ID???
I didn't think you could list one damn thing.
Now we are on to a welfare recipient buying booze and cigarettes? How the hell does that tie into Obama using the 'race card'?
I understand, when all else fails, change the the subject.
Just keep on tap dancing and maybe nobody will notice.
Oh please dru President Obama USED the race card any chance he could as our country's CIC to further the liberal's agenda "Trayvon could have been my son." etc. etc.....man even now as our former President he's STILL trying to ruin the USA by dividing us all with his latest comments...basically saying in his speech(that he was paid 500k for) that if one is PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN (under a Trump Administration) those people are no different than the people who blindly supported Hitler. Ah yet those of you on the far left are still CONFUSED as to why Trump won.
My husband is a Union member in his trade of work in my liberal state....and the majority of his co-workers who use to automatically vote Democrat all the time BECAUSE they were TOLD TO by their Union, overwhelming voted for Trump to be our country's next CIC.
You politically ILL INFORMED liberals who've clearly never read our country's Constitution(instead reading your tabloid magazines and watching reality tv shows) are so enamored by celebrities who overwhelming support democrats/the liberal agenda... haven't a clue that they USE YOU to spread their Socialist message BECAUSE they deem you all as being politically IGNORANT...therefore knowing you all can be USED to be their USEFUL IDIOTS to spread their message.
I mean come on, look how easy it was for them to convince you all to come out wearing your silly pink v a g i n a hats and wearing your silly v a g i n a costumes after Trump was elected....with you all not having a freakin' CLUE that by you agreeing to go along with that ONLY made you all look like FOOLS to the silent MAJORITY in our country..eh but keep on keeping on what you're all doing, because doing so only GUARANTEENS President Trump being re-elected in 2020.
"Trayvon could have been my son"?? is using the race card?!! He waited a whole damn week to say anything, because he knew how it would be twisted! And then when he finally does say something, you paranoid right wingers pounce, and prove him right.
No, there is no confusion, Gronk. Trump, who has never supported any blue collar effort in his life, managed to fool some gullible and desperate people into thinking he was their savior.
Trump has been in the public eye for over forty years, and his history plainly shows who he roots for. The very very rich.
Wearing a pink hat? Really, Gronk? You think the women's march was all about wearing a pink hat. Sad.
dru, you clearly have a wicked sever case of TDS, thus you having no clue whatsoever that you constantly make a fool out of yourself to us INFORMED Americans with your "facts" about Donald Trump as a private citizen and/or your "facts" about American History/ the Republican party.
You have been successfully brainwashed/indoctrinated by your "progressive" liberal masters to the point where you can't even comprehend COMMON SENSE anymore.
You liberals of today are all in favor of an even BIGGER GOVERNMENT so we all live equally, thus you all supporting candidates like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders....but LACK the basic common sense to be able to figure out that your Socialist mined "leaders" are actually living like Kings and Queens while preaching their Socialist mentality. I mean come on Bernie Sanders has 3 homes, Bill and Hillary reside in many homes off of the money they made as our PUBLIC SERVANTS.....yet have you all convinced that Donald Trump as a self made BILLIONARE gave up his private lifestyle to become our CIC to make even MORE money for himself?????...Where the lifer politician on the left and right ALWAYS somehow become 1%er themselves while representing WE THE PEOPLE being paid by our tax dollars!!!
DJT does not take a salary as our current CIC, instead he donates his pay as our CIC to government programs that he believes is doing good work or to charities.....So WHY didn't Present Obama. Bush, Clinton et al do the same as President Trump...nope they didn't because they as our CIC wanted to become wealthy or even more wealthy, therefore pocketing their POTUS paycheck into their own personal bank accounts, and then as former POTUS charging upwards of 500k to give speeches about their WISDOM as former POTUS to line their own pockets with money, smh.
Living like Queens and Kings? Only because they have earned the money to do so, Gronk. Hillary did not come from money but she has rightfully earned the money she receives.
On 400,000 a year, one hardly becomes wealthy. If Obama or Hillary wanted to become wealthy they would have chosen the private sector and not entered the world of public servant.
And we have YET to see any evidence of any donations of that man's salary going to charities.
There was noting self made about Trump. He came from wealth, and even after FOUR huge bankruptcies he convinces people to lend him money.
He knows how to market his name,...period.
dru18... Hillary Clinton most certainly was born and raised in a WEATHLY white privileged family...where the F do you liberal sheep get your facts???
Bill Clinton was raised by a poor single mom...and who use to be a fiscally conservative democrat ala JFK when he was our country's CIC.
Hillary was born with a silver spoon who USED Bill and then USED her gender to further her own career ambitions...thus her not giving a shit when he cheated on her or giving a shit about the women her husband raped or sexually assaulted..and back then all you "feminists" not caring about Bill Clinton's victims BEAUSE he supported your right to have an abortion.
Hmmm, why is that a private citizen Trump(as a 1%er Billionaire prior to becoming our country's CIC) net worth has substantially gone down since becoming our country's CIC....YET Barack Obama and Bill Clinton as our CIC's net worth grew during their time as our country's CIC's, and then as private citizens giving speeches??
Please explain IN DETAIL how President Obama and President Clinton "earned" their wealth to now be 1%ers.... without using their book deals and speeches to make money??
Bill/Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have NEVER ran a business or even worked in the private sector, thus all 3 of them having NO CLUE whatsoever how to even cash out a register as a 7/11 employee...yet you liberals all IGNORANTLY think these nuts know more about how to run our country's economy than a successful businessman like Donald Trump does???
Given how much you despise President Trump, please give details about your QUALIFICICATIONS for you to deem yourself so much smarter than our current President. What have YOU accomplished in your career for YOU to deem yourself a lot smarter than our current CIC?
Back during Obama's 2nd term when a frustrated Trump was spewing his opinions about politics and a failed Obama Administration...he would get snarky comments back from liberals DARING him to run for POTUS if he thought he could do better than Obama...and back then Trump tweeted back to that person who was DARING him to run if he could do better than Obama..something like "be careful, I just might"....something to that affect.
Trump KNEW that if chose to run that HE WOULD WIN, therefore why he had to run it first by his wife, who ALSO knew that if he chose to run to be our POTUS that HE WOULD WIN, thus Melania taking a while to agree to it because SHE knowing him best as his wife KNEW HE WOULD WIN.
They were comfortable, Gronk, not wealthy.
You can rehash Bill Clinton's presidency all you want, but he is past history. In other words he has moved on. Don't you think you should?
But you can't for every time Trump gets into political hot water, the conservatives pull out the Clinton or Obama card.
Yeah, the only thing being, is he IS NOT running the country better. In fact, he is running it into the ground.
LOL! I seriously doubt that any of Trump's three wives know him,..at all.
dru18...please explain IN DETAL how President Trump's policies thus far are ruining and running our country into the ground?
Do you even read up on the financial news about our country, or do you just only read online Vox.com, Salon.com, Progress.com, Huffingtonpost.com and watch SNL and all the late night COMICS to get your "facts"???
My guess is that you as an ILL INFORMEED partisan(Anti-Trumper) don't even know that Donald Trump was the 1st Presidential candidate EVER in our country's history to "come out" in support of gay marriage and the gay community as a candidate running for POTUS...unlike Obama and the Clinton's when they both first ran for POTUS who stated they were AGAINST Gay marriage...yet they have you all believing that Trump is the one who is anti-Gay, and you all IGNORANTLY believe whatever your liberal MASTERS tell you to believe, smh.
I don't care what he came out for when he was a private citizen. The fact that he is appointing anti-gay rights judges tells me where he stands.
I don't get my news online, so right there goes your argument. I read newspapers, and I have a subscription to five of them, and yes, two are very conservative. I occasionally watch CNN, PBS, and on rare occasions, Fox.
Donald Trump back in the 80's being a guest on Oprah taking about politics back then, gave his honest opinion to Oprah about Dem's and Republicans back then.......and you all on the LEFT are still wondering WHY Trump WON, smh.<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SEPs17_AkTI" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Proves my point that he flip flops. He was a liberal Democrat in the past and now he is an conservative bully.
dru18, you supposed "tolerant of all" liberals CONSTANTLY contradict yourselves. When a liberal changes their mind on a social issue, it MEANS to you all...that they've "evolved", yet when a conservative changes their mind on a social issues, it means they're a liar(flip/flopper) and one NOT TO BE TRUSTED, smh..eh and you all still wonder WHY Trump won.
You SUPPOSED "tolerant of ALL" liberals in our country want everyone in our country(via laws and judges rulings) to be forced into being accepting and tolerant of your differing lifestyles....HOWEVER, somehow those on the "tolerant" left can't see their own hypocrisy by them mocking and ridiculing those who live a Christian lifestyle, is just as wrong to do so as well.
On one hand the left wants those on the conservative right to be tolerant and accepting of "all"..yet on the other hand the "tolerant" left on social media think it's somehow OK for them to harass and ridicule those who live a Christian lifestyle?
dru18, we live in a diverse/free country of over 330 million people...therefore we all will NEVER EVER agree 100% on anything, so those of you on the far left and far right need to lighten the F UP over stupid shit, and instead start focusing and compromising on the serious shit that matters most to our great country...and it's NOT the stupid shit our media covers, like what public bathroom one can use or what gender one "identifies" as...no one cares about shit like that...ONLY the MEDIA does to get ratings.
We as Americans, left or right leaning, need to come together for what's in the best interest of our great country for us ALL.
All 4 of my grandparent as young teenagers, came to America at different times being ALONE on their long journey on a ship to come to America by themselves to become LEGAL Immigrants for a better life in the USA and for a better life for their future children and grandchildren...which we all have achieved in our great country ...yet now in 2017 ONLY because of our freakin' lifer politicians who only care about their political party, they have once again divided WE THE PEOPLE :(
Wow, it's MIND BLOWING how easily you IGNORANT/ill informed women in our country can be so EASILY swayed to believing whatever your far left MASTERS tell you HOW to believe....where you politically correct Pink hat wearing Feminist on the far left all IGNORANTLY blindly supported Linda Sasour just because she's a Muslim woman....having NO CLUE whatsoever that she along with the Muslim faith is ANTI-GAY/ANTI-WOMEN...where their "peaceful" religion barbarically KILLS people who they JUST DEEM as being gay, as well their "peaceful" religion barbarically KILLING women whose Muslim husbands falsely ACCUSE them of infidelity just to have their wives killed, so they can force a younger woman to be their NEXT wife.
Yup this is in FACT what you POLITICALLY IGNORANT/clueless Pink hat wearing Feminists of today actually IGNORANTLY support, as supposed feminists in our country, smh.
I was reading this conversation with amused interest. I noticed that you did not mention another example of him playing the race card. That was the Trayvon Martin incident where he was beating a buy to death by pounding his head against concrete but the victim shot Trayvon in self defense. And Obama said that if he had a son he would look like Trayvon.
I don't know why my post got positioned where it did, because I posted my reply immediately following one of your posts which referred to Obama playing the race card and holding a beer summit after the laughable Cambridge "misunderstanding".
Women of my age today who still refer to themselves as Ms. is a clear indicator that they're a nutty feminist whose never been married who lives alone being "empowered" without having to rely on a MAN while living alone with their many cats.
Heads up....my 20 year old daughter and her girlfriends all assumed/thought that when a woman referred to herself as Ms. it meant that they were once married but then got a divorce lol!!!
Haha! Oh good grief. I know all kinds of women who choose to use that 'title', when they choose to use one. Most of them of either are or have been married. Some of them are widows.
Heads up....your daughter and and her friends assumption, is less incorrect than yours.
Hey I didn't know my 20 year daughter and her friends all thought that Ms. meant that a woman was a divorcee.....I had to correct them, explaining to them that Ms. was first coined way back in the 1700's, BUT only became popular by feminists in the 60's who didn't want to be referred to as Miss as "empowered" women who did not need a MAN back then in the 60's....ya know how they were so "empowered" as women, where they as aging liberal hippies being against "the man"(the government) are trying to convince young feminist women of today to DEMAND the government(OTHER PEOPLES MONEY) to pay for their birth control and abortions as "EMPOWERED WOMEN".
They're not "Misses"...they're not "Miss"...they must be a near miss.
Women today who proudly state that they're feminists as "empowered" women... are IN FACT the most INTOLERENT/nasty women towards other women who have differing beliefs and life choices other than theirs.
There is no clear cut definition of what constitutes appropriate or inappropriate behavior when it comes to "looking". Sometimes, it's just interpreted as inappropriate if the person who is "looking", isn't the one the woman who spent the time and effort to look good for, and wasn't the one she was trying to attract.
Just because you put a fat juicy worm on the hook to catch a nice bass, doen't guarantee you won't attract a carp instead.
It's OK for liberals when Ellen as a famous/powerful liberal lesbian feminist objectifies women with Ellen behaving in a creepy manner by leering that way at a fellow feminists breasts(oh right, with her being funny)...BECAUSE she's a WOMAN who is a famous wealthy (POLITICALLY CLUELESS) liberal lesbian feminist who supports and donates millions of dollars to today's democrat/liberal/socialist agenda, as well as her being a CLUELESS celebrity being an advocate for their liberal causes of "women rights" and "gay rights" in freakin 2017(???)... where they as nuts all believing their liberal masters on the left and our liberal "msm" that their rights as women OR being GLBTABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ or as LEGAL immigrants will be taken away under a "NAZI" Trump Administration, smh.
"It's okay for liberals"?? LMAO!!
Clinton was impeached
Spritzer lost his career
Weiner is prison bound
Weinstein will be following,
Spacey is in legal hot water
Cosby's career is over
Trump was elected
And Moore is going to Washington
See, our side punishes, while your side elects them.
Hmm dru18, why wasn't Bill Clinton punished by you SUPPOSED moral Democrats when he was the AG of AK or then as the Governor of AK and then as our country's CIC being a known serial rapist/sexual predator??? Oh right, because he was a DEMOCRAT politician. therefore in your twisted minds it was OK that Bill Clinton raped and sexually assaulted many women...BECAUSE he as a DEMOCRAT politician agreed with your feminist agenda. smh.
You liberal women are pathetic excuses of "strong women"... where you all care more about getting your free abortions and free birth control, smh.
I think we have settled that one on another post, one accuser at a time.
And as I told you, I did not vote for Clinton.
And as I have stated, if you get rid of affordable birth control, you can count on the abortion numbers going up.
Now which is it?
dru18 you sadly IGNORANTLY buy into the Dem's rhetoric about birth control blah, blah, blah.
Look, condoms are inexpensive to purchase everywhere in our country, as well as being "free" at Planned Parenthood, "free" at our Public High Schools and "free" at our Public Middle Schools....eh yet you as one clearly being politically ignorant, sadly buys into the Dem's rhetoric of how you all as "empowered" women NEED to elect Democrats LYING to you all that your access to birth control and your abortions will be ended if you don't vote Democrat....where IN FACT your ACCESS to your ABORTIONS and birth control will not be affected at all, just that WE THE PEOPLE will no longer have to pay for your abortions and birth control of you "empowered" women.
You want to pin everything on a ****, that is nowhere near as effective as The Pill? LOL! Go ahead with that one.
As I recall, the conservatives want to do away with Planned Parenthood, as well. Care to explain that one?
Sorry, but wanting to do away with the ACA, along with de-funding Planned Parenthood is an old conservative trick. And one that stinks to high heaven.
Wrong again dru18....Conservatives want to do away with our hard earned money being TAXED to pay for/fund Planned Parenthood so you supposed "empowered" women can have your "free" abortions and "free" birth control on our dime... NOT your ACCESS to your abortions or your birth control methods. PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.
"Our hard earned money"? Shit. Hate to tell you, Gronk, but Planned Parenthood's abortions are not funded by your taxes. It is through donors, and even with that, The Bill & Melinda Gates foundation won't fund abortion. Other foundations do.
So next time, do a little research before you spout off.
Oh please, you know damn well that the 500 million/per year that our government gives to PP goes towards paying for the abortions they provide, NOT towards mammograms, paps, birth control etc.
Look know it all, mammograms, paps etc. were all covered by our insurance companies via our work and for those getting "free" health insurance in their states prior to Obamacare....as well as those services being covered for those having Obamacare, so why does PP still need 500 million dollars per year from our government to provide those services(mammo's, paps,bc) that are covered under Obamacare??
Anyone with half an ounce of COMMON SENSE knows that PP has ALWAYS been an ABORTION clinic, NOT a medical facility that provides medical services for women's health care issues!!!
Back in the 70's my friends and I all knew that PP was an ABORTION clinic, as do young women and men of today know this fact as well....with some agreeing with our government funding Planned Parenthood's ABORTIONS but most being vehemently AGAINST our government funding Planned Parenthood ABORTING babies.
I feel compelled to add, that well adjusted kids born after 1973 tend to become PRO-LIFE as they get older and wiser... because they've FIGURED OUT that their mothers were given the CHOICE by our government on whether to KILL them OR give birth to them to give them LIFE.
No, it doesn't.
Planned Parent Hood gets their federal funding from a government program called Title X, that provides money for GYN services, and supplemental birth control. It does not provide funds for abortions. As I have said, private donations provide the funds for that service. Richard Nixon amended Title X in 1970, and it had wide bipartisan support.
the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman. Cinton expanded the law in 93 to include cases of rape and incest.
So once again, do your homework.
Oh please, women of my generation all KNEW back in the late 70's as teenagers that PP was an ABORTION clinic or where to go to get "free" birth control behind our parent's backs back then, that's it.... NOT a medical facility for women to go to for their mammograms and pap testing and you and your liberal ilk KNOW THIS. Mammograms aren't even required for women to get until they're at least 40(I had to INSIST on getting one via my insurance when I was in my late 30's only because of my mother having breast cancer).
I've had health insurance since I was a young working mom at 19 via the 2 companies I worked at before CHOOSING to become a stay at home later in life...back when I was a young, single mom back in 1982 working at a corporation, I only paid $6.72/wk out of my pocket for a family plan for my son and I with NO DEDUCTIBLE, then in 1993 working at a different company where I only paid $9.73/wk for a family plan with NO DEDUCTIBLE ...eh now look at how expensive it is for working single people as well as working families to pay for their GOVERNMENT MANDATED health insurance ever since Obamacare!!!
Prior to Obamacare the poor AND our children in our country have had access to "free" healthcare in all of our 50 states.. but because they're ill informed, they just didn't know it....therefore our Democrat politicians taking advantage of their ignorance convincing them that they NEEDED Obamacare for them to have access to healthcare...which was a flat out lie.
BTW Dru, under Obamacare all those gyno tests for women and for them to get their "free" birth control are covered under a government MANDATED Obamacare, where they can go to any doctor/hospital for those services ...so why does PP still need Government funds to provide Mammograms, Pap test and Birth Control when those services are covered under Obamacare???
One would think (if they had COMMON SENSE) that if PP was only a medical facility that ONLY provided those women with mammos, paps, and birth control...., there really wouldn't be a need for a PP anymore because of those services all being covered under Obamacare, so why the need for Planned Parenthood anymore IF they're NOT an abortion clinic??
Gronk, stop trying to tell any of us what PP is, and what it can provide. As if it was available to only YOU. LMAO!
Oh shit, you wanna tell me how health care has gone down the tubes? Everyone had better plans in the eighties and most of the nineties. I was covered under my mother's plan from her workplace in the eighties, and it was great.
I didn't say that PP did not provide abortions, I said the government does not cover the funds for that procedure.
And nothing about the Hyde Amendment, I see.
Gronk, do us all a favor, and educate yourself.
Look dru18, you and I as informed Americans both KNOW that Planned Parenthood is and always has been just an ABORTION clinic and you damn well KNOW IT......the difference between you and I, is that I'm an honest person as well as having integrity, whereas you as a feminist are willing to compromise your integrity and soul by still defending/lying about PP as mainly being a provider of women for their pap's, mammo's and birth control, when you know damn well that's a LIE and that those services are covered under Obamacare.
It's MIND BLOWING how you supposed "intelligent"/"compassionate" liberal women and men always get your panties in a bunch over an animal being killed(oh remember the OUTRAGE you all had over that lion and ape being killed)...YET you are all the very nuts who protest and advocate for a women's "right" to have a late term abortion ON DEMAND even if it's because that woman just changed her mind in her 3rd trimester of pregnancy of NOT wanting to become a mother??? And you nuts still wonder WHY Trump won, smh.
What you nuts on the left DON'T GET, is that our country's msm news media and our country's entertainment media are also predominately far left nuts like yourself...therefore why you all naively believe whatever they report(ed), therefor believing their skewed polls about the pulse of the American people and that Hillary had a 98% chance of beating Trump...thus why you were all SHOCKED, DEVASTATED and wanting to leave our great country when Trump was elected as our 45th President.
You all have such an irrational hatred for President Trump ONLY because he as a former Democrat voter chose to run for POTUS as a Republican, where you've all lost you minds, where you would rather his policies fail(even if they benefit you and our country) just because of your DERANGED hatred for the man. That's just nuts.
****! I have friends who go there for examinations, and birth control. Stop action like nobody had ever been to that clinic. I know exactly what they provide. And yes, abortion is one of the services, but it makes up for just 1% of what they offer.
This kills me. You are spreading a lie that anyone can debunk.
Un huh, funny how Conway, and Trump were equally as shocked, when he won. So shocked, that they were ill prepared when he came to the office. AND, still are.
I have a hatred for the man because he acts like a despicable punk, who promises his gullible nitwit supporters the moon, and has no problem with putting women, and minorities down, while steering clear of "powerful" dictators.
Dru, it's actually YOU who is PURPOSELY spreading your LIES in your attempt to SCARE your base into believing that their ACCESS to their Birth Control and their ACCESS to their ABORTIONS will be taken away under a Trump Administration...when YOU know damn well that is just a flat out lie. We as TAX PAYERS just DO NOT want to PAY for your birth control or PAY for the murdering of your babies.
So now we are changing the topic, because you are losing your case? Typical.
It all boils down to his Supreme Court picks.
Whether you want to pay for other's birth control is irrelevant. I would suggest you pay for that, (scant amount) rather than see the abortion numbers go up.
Whether it is misconduct or not is determined by the person being objectified. That makes it a dangerous game to play, especially if you have money and power. Plus, just because it is accepted by them today as fun and games, doesn't mean it won't be used against you 10-20 years from now.
Especially when, in 10 - 20 years the media tells you that you that you were "assaulted". You just didn't know it.
Double standards and hypocrisy. Next question.
I don't know if there will be a next question. This one was pulled because I was "trolling and trying to cause trouble". Said he "doesn't like doing it, but "this one needed to be pulled". I guess someone's little 'cyber squeeze' was offended and he pulled it for her. Who knows?.
Darkest Serenity restored it. Thanks to her
Only advice I can give you - gird your loins and watch your back.
Thanks. You are the fourth person to tell me that. I will.
This post is about men and women in general, amid the recent sexual misconduct allegations, not Ellen. Ellen was clearly just an example used in the explanation. Of course, the rad-fems and sissies are focusing on Ellen and this particular photo.
Going back years ago, a lot of things were considered funny and acceptable, which are now considered a crime..I'm not belittling things that were done years ago, but it was acceptable...so now women take offense at the smallest things like hand on knee and whistling at women...a lot of women are realizing that if they complain about something that happened 40 years ago, they can get money....
BINGO. The so called "empowered" women of today are wimps and NOTHING like my generation of TRULY strong/EMPOWERED working women of the 80's.
Man, I was hit on/asked to go to lunch or go on dates/complimented on my wardrobe daily while at work while in my 20's and 30's by the men I worked with, and I NEVER felt that I was being "sexually harassed" by those men I worked with.....the ONE time my boss put his hands on my shoulders(ala Joe Biden) while I was in the middle of typing something up for him was the LAST time he did so, BECAUSE of ME all on my lonesome alone with him telling him off... having no fear of losing my job back then for telling him off!!!
Eh but now in the 21st century our supposed STRONG "empowered" women of today stay silent(for supposed fear of losing their jobs) when such things happen to them....and then when their contracts aren't renewed(for poor ratings) or they're laid off from their jobs due to cut backs, is only then when these women come forward with their stories of having to endure being sexually harassed for YEARS while working there???
Last time I checked, the main problem isn't about which gender is the victim or the creep. This is about harassment of a superior in their line of work. And there's at least two men who came up to talk about them being harassed. I'm pretty sure there's not more men talking about it, not because of "women can stare at men and that's not harassment", but because of the shame-the-victim mentality that exists. The idea is that men that are harassed are weak and they shouldn't be complaining, because apparently all men can think about is ** and they should be happy to get any of it. Simply putting, that's **.
When people stop ignoring how serious this is, or stop shaming or blaming the victims, male or female, or stop trying to make the situation about something else, diverting from the real problem, the victims of harassment might start feeling safe enough to talk about it, no matter the gender. Until then, we won't be seeing a real picture of what is going on.
Yeah, well said. :)
It is plainly and purely a double standard. That said, it is one men are primarily responsible for. Women have certainly taken advantage of that, but men created this particular double standard. Teenage guys think it's cool if their buddy boinked the hot teach, even many fathers would be giving their son a mental pat on the back, rather than focusing on the teacher's inappropriate behavior. The same is true with lesbians. Many, many guys love the thought of girl-on-girl action even as they cringe at the thought of two guys going at it.
As far as the reckoning currently taking place in Hollywood...accusations do not equate to guilt. I'm sure many men did use their positions to demand ****. Unless there was actual force, though, the women acquiesced for their own personal gain. That doesn't make the men's actions okay, and no, it's not "fair", but life ain't fair. Fact is, by accepting such as the price of fame or career and remaining silent all these years, they effectively condoned it happening to those who came behind them.
There are also those jumping onto the bandwagon either for their 15 minutes or for gain, and they should be called out for slander and false accusations. I recently read a story about a woman who had a very brief encounter with a well-known individual and he squeezed her butt cheek...now, because of recent events, she is telling her story...28 years later she tells of her 'years of struggle' resulting from that encounter. Grabbing her ** was not** acceptable, but if the woman struggles with it almost three decades later, her problems are much greater than a brief inappropriate experience.
For those who truly were forced, and especially for the kids who were exploited and abused, I am glad to see this finally coming into the spotlight.
Btw, excellent question.
I find her antics to be offensive.
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