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Trump needs to be in a padded room. You don't need to be a mental health professional to see that he isn't playing with a full deck.

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Linnster 5 days ago

By accepting the gun lobby's bribes and lies this government has become complacent in the destruction of our lives.

We do need lobbying reform. Unfortunately, the legislature is both the avenue to and the beneficiaries of ignoring such reform. I'm ignorant as to whether there could conceivably be remedy through the courts, though I believe that to largely be a moot point for several reasons: standing, affordability, most cases take years to wend their way through, and SCOTUS' track record.

I am also far less concerned about the gun lobby than about other industries. In the first place, guns are a volatile subject and the gun lobby probably receives more media coverage than any other (and the majority of that being the critical left wing media). Secondly, while everyone has the potential to be touched by gun violence, few actually are. On the other hand, there are three industries that affect virtually everyone, have dizzying revolving doors between their companies and the agencies that regulate (and I use that word very loosely) them, and it is the rare consumer that knows just how loosely that actually is, often effectively regulating themselves. I am referring to Big Pharma, Big Ag (which includes agrochemicals and biologicals), and Big Chem. The vast majority of us will be vacinated and take perscription drugs at some point, and a great many do so daily, some for their entire lives. Everyone must have sustenance. And no matter how careful we are, it is impossible not to encounter chemicals which may be inhaled, absorbed, injected, or injested on a daily basis.

Some examples of issues I have with these industries follow. Just as an example of the impact of Big Pharma, properly prescribed Rxs account for more deaths than overdoses from Rxs and heroin by an estimated factor of nearly five. In the five years Vioxx was on the market there were some 60,000 deaths from just that one Rx alone. A 2014 Harvard article pegged Rx deaths as tied for the forth leading cause of death. Oh and btw, the FDA receives funding from Big Pharma...a rather incestuous relationship for a government regulatory agency to have with the industry it regulates. Many countries have or are working to ban GM crops and the glysophate they depend upon, but we cannot even get a law passed to label GM foods. Finally, the EPA actually tests a miniscule fraction of the chemicals we are exposed to daily. These things impact each and every one of us on a daily basis and, unlike guns and the gun lobby, receive little to no coverage from the MSM.

By pushing its own agenda to curb freedom of the press and stifle the free expression of our athletes and our spokespeople it has become destructive of our liberty.

First off, the MSM has been complicit in working with the government since at least the 50s. Google "Operation Mockingbird". Second, the government actually has a database and standard form for reporting leaks to the press, it has a section to indicate whether the leak was authorized, unauthorized, or to be determined, and another regarding the accuracy of the information leaked. Trump has not been able to stop the leaks, hell, he cannot even keep leaks from coming out of the WH. Finally, while he may have banned certain outlets from some press briefings, our press is essentially owned by six companies...and they share between them. Google "6 companies own the press" and "the press agrees YouTube".

Trump may have stirred up one huge shit pot as regards the NFL players kneeling, but he has not stifled the free expression of the players. No one is entitled to free speech or the right to protest SJ issues on company time. If the boss doesn't mind, cool, but if it begins to affect the bottom line, the boss is going to care. In this case, it has adversely affected the NFL's bottom line. Why? Because the fans exercised their right to free speech and protest. The players are still free to exercise their 1st Amendment rights...on their own time...and due to their celebrity, they'll still get a prominent platform to do so, unlike us regular folk. That's precisely how it's supposed to work. So no, no one, neither the press nor the players have been silenced.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that when any government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right and Duty of the People to alter or to abolish it. Impeach Trump before it is too late.

I agree that it is indeed our right and duty...so did the FFs, hence the 2nd Amendment that "shall not be infringed".

"Too late"? In what way? You're all upset over imaginary infringements on the 1st Amendment under Trump, but the real constitutional infringements happened under Bush and Obama...the PATRIOT Act, Homeland Security Act, warrantless searches, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention, sweeping data collections, hiding their crimes and usurpations behind the magic phrase "matter of national security", illegal wars, etc.

The only area that I truly have grave concerns about with Trump is war. He has grown hawkish since taking office, and despite leftist claims of being against war, the left side of the aisle, the MSM, and even his detractors on this site supported him when he was dropping bombs. Many of them would also fully support nuking North Korea, some would add Russia and Iran, too. War concerns me. Nuclear war really concerns me...celebrity athletes that make millions having to wait until they are off work to protest...not so much. I'm funny that way.

As always...JMHO

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Bozette 5 days ago

In response to “**By accepting the gun lobby's bribes and...

Good stuff

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VicZinc 5 days ago

The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. That means even if Vic and the Kardashians don't like it.

Your athletes are free to express themselves - just not in the workplace if it violates employers rules - same as everyone else. No special privileges - not even for the black athletes.

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Budwick 5 days ago

In response to “The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens...

Amendment II

A well regulated militia , being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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Piper2 4 days ago

Anyone with any sense at all knows Trump is mentally unstable. By suppressing the press, he's turning into a dictator.....he needs to go, and go fast before he blows up our world.

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StarzAbove 5 days ago

Ah Vic you do know that the "Gun Lobby" has been around for much much longer than Trump has been president right. And that during the 8 years of the last administration more guns were purchased by private citizens than at any other time in our nations history.

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Brianl 4 days ago

In response to “Ah Vic you do know that the "Gun...

I knew I was forgetting something I had wanted to include. Lol

True. Since the early '90s gun ownership per capita has increased slightly more than 50%, while gun homicides have decreased just under 50%. Setting aside any argument for causation, the correlation is striking.

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Bozette 4 days ago

In response to “I //knew// I was forgetting something I had...

That's right thanks for pointing that out.

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Brianl 4 days ago

In response to “I //knew// I was forgetting something I had...

I recently read that something like 80% of guns are owned by 3% of the population.

Don't know how accurate that is but it might also be a contributing factor in the graphic

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “I recently read that something like 80% of...

Estimates vary somewhat, but it is pretty widely reported that about 3% own ~1/2 of the guns, with ~25-30% of the population being gun owners. Now it is also estimated that ~38% of households have guns...so figure that one out.

Guns are tools, and different jobs require different tools. I know folks who don't even own a single hammer, while I have several claw hammers, various sized ball peens, one each of brass, plastic, and rubber mallets, at least three chipping hammers, and a variety of BFHs.

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Bozette 4 days ago

In response to “I recently read that something like 80% of...

Vic do the math on those numbers. and you'll see that that is flat out wrong.

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Brianl 4 days ago

In response to “Vic do the math on those numbers. and you'll...

Which is why I don't believe it

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “Which is why I don't believe it

Ah, It didn't appear that you were in disagreement with what you had posted.

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Brianl 4 days ago

In response to “Ah, It didn't appear that you were in...

Hence the question marks.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “Which is why I don't believe it

Vic not try to be a pain but there are no question marks.

Might be an Amirite glitch.

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Brianl 3 days ago

In response to “Vic not try to be a pain but there are no...

Oops my bad. Wrong post.

Any the numbers did sound absurd. "Don't know how accurate it is" was the clue.

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VicZinc 3 days ago

In response to “Ah Vic you do know that the "Gun...

I do. I also heard a lot of call for impeachment and overthrowing the previous administration. What goes around comes around I guess.

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “I do. I also heard a lot of call for...

So...we are on a downward spiral? Oh goodie.



I heard a lot of people complain endlessly about Obama, myself included, and there were several die-hard birthers, but I have never heard such things as I have with Trump...the thousands who openly called/call for his assassination, for example. In all fairness, the man sets himself up for both criticism and ridicule, but it turns out the "Love Trumps Hate" crowd is chronically dyslexic.

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Bozette 4 days ago

In response to “I do. I also heard a lot of call for...

Impeachment yes, overthrowing not so sure of. of course as crazy as all of this has gotten I'm sure there were those on the "right" who said BS like that.

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Brianl 4 days ago

There is nothing, nor has been anything to justify any legal, Constitutional commencement of an impeachment process on President Trump.

Not even the political cleverness, deceit, and double standards within the ideology of Progressivism can get there.

Get over it..lol

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Howler 4 days ago

In response to “There is nothing, nor has been anything to...

True. None of these are 'impeccable'. together they set up a profile dangerous to American values.

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VicZinc 4 days ago

In response to “True. None of these are 'impeccable'...

So we are looking for "impeccable"?...

Then thank God Obama is out of office and Hillary never made it there.

Which American values?...Real American values, or the fundamentally-transformed American "values" of Barack Obama to be continued by Hillary Clinton?..lol

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Howler 4 days ago

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