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No, I don't think so. I am still waiting to read one comment that will convince me there is any value in killing a person as a form of punishment....Btw: I have been waiting a long time.

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Tiffanee 2 months ago

In response to “No, I don't think so. I am still waiting to...

Because it is of course a far better use of time, effort, money and resource to incarcerate mass murderers for life right?

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AliceD 2 months ago

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A lot of resources say that costs even more.

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Tiffanee 2 months ago

In response to “No, I don't think so. I am still waiting to...

In Europe murderers get out after 15 years and one that got out and went on to murder a girl friend of mine...if he had been executed, then she would still be alive...

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JD 2 months ago

I'm kind of on the fence with that. Taking a life is not an easy thing to live with. I think they should stay in prison with no soap on a rope and a cell mate named Big Bubba. That should fix the problem.

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Rooster 2 months ago

I support castration for rapists

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TomboyJanet 2 months ago

Nope, not possible.

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JerryHendrickson 2 months ago

They are

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VicZinc 2 months ago

Odd. I expected far more disagrees.

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Sukiesnow 2 months ago

Let's see; Appeals cost a fortune, the threat of death has been proven NOT to be a deterrent, and we are the only civilized country that is still killing people for killing people. Kinda of a no brainer.

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dru18 2 months ago

In response to “Let's see; Appeals cost a fortune, the threat...

How many people convicted or rape or murder are released and commit the same crimes again? How many people who are executed for those crimes commit them again.

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JustJimColo 2 months ago

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"How many people who are executed for those crimes commit them again."

And how many, just replace them.

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dru18 2 months ago

In response to “"How many people who are executed for...

Zero "replace" them. There will always be murderers and rapists out there. We just need to keep thinning the heard or we will be overrun.

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JustJimColo 2 months ago

In response to “Zero "replace" them. There will...

You will never "thin" the heard, and execution is not the answer.

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dru18 1 month ago

In response to “You will never "thin" the heard, and...

So are you saying, just give up?

What is the answer then Dru?

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JustJimColo 1 month ago

In response to “So are you saying, just give up? What is the...

Have we ever given up?

I have stated three reasons why I believe execution is not the answer.

Lock them up, and make them work for the state.

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dru18 1 month ago

In response to “Have we ever given up? I have stated three...

You said we will never thin the herd. To me, that is giving up.

How many people who are locked up, "work for the state?"
New York City is an expensive place to live for just about everyone, including prisoners.

The city paid $167,731 to feed, house and guard each inmate last year, according to a study the Independent Budget Office released this week.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/...tudy-says.html

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JustJimColo 1 month ago

In response to “You said we will never thin the herd. To me...

No, we will never thin the herd. I think people are more callous, and more desensitize now, then in previous generations.

And as I have stated, with APPEALS, that could go as long as twenty years +, it is REALLY EXPENSIVE.

I didn't say how many are working for the state, nor is that the point. You asked me what would be my idea of a solution, and I gave you an example.

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dru18 1 month ago

In response to “LOL.... OK

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dru18 1 month ago

In response to “Let's see; Appeals cost a fortune, the threat...

How do you prove that someone hasn't been murdered because of the threat of the death penalty conviction.

It's called the Death Penalty because that is what it is a penalty. It was never meant to be a deterrent.

As far as the appeals process goes. People serving life sentences are still choking up the legal system. So if there were no death penalty those inmates would also be having appeals filed.

As someone who has had a family member brutally murdered and never solved. The idea that if the SOB is ever caught and convicted and then get to live out the remainder of their life even in prison makes me sick.

My cousin was murdered by someone who acted as judge, jury AND executioner. And his only hope for an appeal was to plead for his life just before his throat was sliced open.

Yeah don't ask me to feel sorry human scum

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Brianl 2 months ago

In response to “How do you prove that someone hasn't been...

Except that it isn't a deterrent, otherwise, Texas and Florida would be the two safest places in the world to live...and we know that they are anything but.

Only in this country would we think that death is harsher than rotting away in prison.

I am very sorry for your loss, Briani, I hope they find the guy, and bring your family closure.

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dru18 2 months ago

In response to “Except that it isn't a deterrent, otherwise...

Dru that's my point its was never meant to be a deterrent. it is a penalty for a crime committed that's it.

California and New York don't have the death penalty. There prisons are spilling over. So I'd have to say that housing them isn't working either as a deterrent either.

Look I don't like the fact that criminals put us all in this position. Taking a person life is serious.

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Brianl 2 months ago

In response to “Dru that's my point its was never meant to be...

I brought up deterrent because you would suspect that anyone would think twice before taking a life, if they thought their death would be the consequence, But I guess they feel they won't be caught, or just so jaded, that they don't care.

I believe California has the death penalty, or it did.

I certainly agree with the last part.

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dru18 1 month ago

In response to “I brought up deterrent because you would...

You are leave a key human element out of the equation.

That of emotion, specifically hate or rage. Those will blind a person to all logic. Hence to reason the deterrent factory never enters into a situation where murder is involved.

Then there is pure evil. Some people have something within them that defies logic.

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Brianl 1 month ago

what i don't get is how liberals think murdering innocent babies is better then killing a murderer

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sh9683 2 months ago

In response to “what i don't get is how liberals think...

It's time to stop painting a group of people with the same broad brush stroke. Nuances, sh...nuances.

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Sukiesnow 2 months ago

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lol, i don;t see many conservatives or libertarians with those hypocritical believes. it is LIBERALS for the most part

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sh9683 2 months ago

In response to “lol, i don;t see many conservatives or...

How do you see it? From where do you see it... I don't see much difference between Conservatives or Liberals.... We are ALL just people!!

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Sukiesnow 2 months ago

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yes we are all people, people with different beliefs, some devastatingly more hypocritical then others, if some people are against capital punishment and use "human rights" as a reason against it but support abortion, then I am sorry but they are huge hypocrites, and do not really care for human rights, but rather care more for a criminal then the innocent

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sh9683 2 months ago

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What I don't get, is how you keep introducing this subject on posts that have nothing to do with it.

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dru18 2 months ago

Maybe. But consider the number of people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes through the years. Isn't it possible, if not probable, that we have executed innocent people?

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 2 months ago

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That's what scares me...

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Sukiesnow 2 months ago

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Ditto. The reality is our judicial system is flawed. We make mistakes. That is unacceptable when dealing with a death sentence.

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 2 months ago

In response to “Maybe. But consider the number of people...

On the other hand, guilty people have got off and murdered again...and they murdered innocent people..nothing is guaranteed

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JD 2 months ago

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Agreed. As I said, the system is flawed.

However there are far more cases of innocent people who have been wrongly convicted.

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 1 month ago

In response to “Agreed. As I said, the system is...

Not in uk...they let murderers out after 12-15 years and they do kill again..but I've rarely seen any innocent people convicted, but you maybe right...

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JD 1 month ago

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There was a study done in 2014 here in the US.

The researchers found that between 1973 and 2004 1.4% of the people sentenced to die were later exonerated.

However, crime statistics show that about 4% of all persons convicted of any crime are actually innocent.

And that difference?

That difference means we have almost certainly executed innocent people. I(t also means we have innocent people sitting on death row and innocent people serving life sentences without the possibility of parole.)

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 1 month ago

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I don't believe those figures, if you ask everyone in prison, they would say I'm innocent , only a small percentage would plead guilty...one of those things we will never know...for certain...

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JD 1 month ago

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Of course most criminals claim they're innocent.

But what does that have to do with the cases that were later exonerated? Courts don't just take the word of the defendant when deciding to overturn a death sentence.

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 1 month ago

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When they find evidence that gets an innocent man or women off, that definitely proves they are innocent, without any doubt, the statistics show its around 4.1%, which is pretty high..but the percentage of guilty murderers who get released and kill again, is uncomfortably high...I had a girlfriend of mine who was murdered by a guy who had spent 15 years in prison and was released to kill again and when that happens to someone you are close to, it hurts and it's real, not a statistic.....

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JD 1 month ago

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That's a horrific story. I'm so sorry for you lose JD.

However if and when parole is granted to someone who has committed murder is a different issue.

I was talking about innocent people who have been wrongly convicted.

(pce)

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 1 month ago

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I know Chris and I understand, but if that guy had been executed for his first known murder, then she would still be alive...there is not a solution that is fair...

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JD 1 month ago

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No, there is no solution that is completely fair.

(frown)

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Chris_PHAET_Demon 1 month ago

In response to “Maybe. But consider the number of people...

that is why i am on the fence about capital punishment,

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sh9683 2 months ago

Where there is no doubt that the accused person committed a crime like murder...then execute them within weeks...there have been so many murderers gone free or released after years in prison ..they have gone on to kill again..another innocent victim...

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JD 2 months ago

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society is drifting away from caring for the innocent victims to defending the criminals

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sh9683 2 months ago

In response to “society is drifting away from caring for the...

That's true...

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JD 2 months ago

In response to “society is drifting away from caring for the...

Drifting? I think society has been in a full gallop for decades where it concerns how a criminal rights are guarded to the near complete exclusion of victims

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Brianl 1 month ago

In response to “Drifting? I think society has been in a full...

Good point.

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sh9683 1 month ago

I prefer slavery to be the highest form of punishment, instead of death. Let the evil bastards earn the resources being spent on them.

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Sunny_the_skeptic 1 month ago

What happened to the good ol' punishnent of exile? Why do we insist on babysitting these people (very loose interpretation for our jail system, which is horrific by itself) or killing them?

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TheVibeAlchemist 1 month ago

I do believe in many cases the Death Penalty is too kind.

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DW2 1 month ago

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